I hate getting old, and it worries me if SHTF that I won't be up to it

[Certaindeaf]

The way the world is turning being old might be the best thing you have going for you. It will be over soon

Yeabut getting taken out by a lamb selling girl scout cookies is not the way I'd prefer.

 

[DeanMk]

I'm seeing an acupuncturist for the first time next week! For shoulder pain that my doctor suspects is arthritis. The turmeric and frankincense he recommended are not working much anymore and it's keeping me from sleeping well. I will make sure and tell her about the blood pressure also

Hey, great Angie!
Don't expect "overnight" results. This is a conditioning thing. It's gonna take a while.
You just gotta stick with it and keep regular appointments.
Good luck!

 

[WWShooter]

The way the world is turning being old might be the best thing you have going for you. It will be over soon

Never!

I'm with Dylan Thomas:

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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I plan on living as long as it pleases me and then taking the best exit I can, while I - and not a bunch of medical "professionals" - still make the decisions.

 

[Silver Hand]

The way the world is turning being old might be the best thing you have going for you. It will be over soon

If you have had the life of someone that is nearing there sixty's or seventy's and beyond, it's my opinion we lived in the best financial circumstances in time. A place in time where a person could work and actually afford the dreams they had with the pay they received.

Today's generation will never have it as well. I am speaking in general, given the current 'competition' in a country that was once so great to it's citizens. I now see parents and young adults competing for the same jobs when just a few decades ago one parent supported the entire family.

The newest thing is checking your own grocery's at Walmart, Think removing checkers as we progress isn't going to matter?
Family wage jobs that corporate no longer has to pay out, and the suckers that do the job recover no gain in doing so.
The best of times, So glad to not be starting out in this place in time.

Colts4me you hit the nail right on the head / Hope you don't have to live with the population quadrupling in the near future and if you do make the best of it

 

[Argonaut]

If you have had the life of someone that is nearing there sixty's or seventy's and beyond, it's my opinion we lived in the best financial circumstances in time. A place in time where a person could work and actually afford the dreams they had with the pay they received.

Today's generation will never have it as well. I am speaking in general, given the current 'competition' in a country that was once so great to it's citizens. I now see parents and young adults competing for the same jobs when just a few decades ago one parent supported the entire family.

The newest thing is checking your own grocery's at Walmart, Think removing checkers as we progress isn't going to matter?
Family wage jobs that corporate no longer has to pay out, and the suckers that do the job recover no gain in doing so.
The best of times, So glad to not be starting out in this place in time.

Colts4me you hit the nail right on the head / Hope you don't have to live with the population quadrupling in the near future and if you do make the best of it

That is Oregon thinking.........When did a single checker's wage ever support a family......like making pumping your own gas takes livable wage jobs from people.........absolutely nuts. We need to do away with minimum wage so companies can afford to hire young untrained people allowing them to become productive and earn a livable wage. These soft headed liberal rules have so many secondary side effects that they keep all society from moving into areas where we can improve everyone's lot in life. Every generation of humans has figgured out how to fit and thrive in the societies they are a product of......and if left alone, they always will. It always works until some short sighted outside force (government, unions and others) gets involved changing the natural order of our free society. The most successful jobs I ever had, I took not to earn money but to learn something. I did many for no pay at all just to get some skill or knowledge that I could apply to something I wanted to do. My kids are all very successful, (all under 35...2 own over million dollar ranches, one in the military ownes 4 California rental properties) each in there own way and using there individual methods. That is what makes a strong vibrant society. If I need more money.......I am a free person and just go make it. It is the way I have always lived and thrived. If there is a fault in modern society, it doesn't teach that......preferring people to live like sheep and follow some prescribed method to the path of happiness.......it is all a lie. Everyone has to do it on there own time, method, and definition.

 

[Silver Hand]

That is Oregon thinking.........When did a single checker's wage ever support a family......like making pumping your own gas takes livable wage jobs from people.........absolutely nuts. We need to do away with minimum wage so companies can afford to hire young untrained people allowing them to become productive and earn a livable wage. These soft headed liberal rules have so many secondary side effects that they keep all society from moving into areas where we can improve everyone's lot in life. Every generation of humans has figgured out how to fit and thrive in the societies they are a product of......and if left alone, they always will. It always works until some short sighted outside force (government, unions and others) gets involved changing the natural order of our free society. The most successful jobs I ever had, I took not to earn money but to learn something. I did many for no pay at all just to get some skill or knowledge that I could apply to something I wanted to do. My kids are all very successful, (all under 35...2 own over million dollar ranches, one in the military ownes 4 California rental properties) each in there own way and using there individual methods. That is what makes a strong vibrant society.

The checker makes a wage no matter how insignificant with out that opportunity someone doesn't take that job, move on or not. If the job no longer exists, corporate enjoys the benefits of the sheep doing the job for nothing, to save time not money at the counter checkout. That was the point. Those jobs matter not to me and never did and I am delighted in that your family is so successful. As for the brilliant individuals who moved the sheep toward the corral they will have a bright future for there imagination and efforts now in place.

I don't know if you have seen the self check out stores where a person waves a device over there purchases to obtain a total to be paid at the point of completion? Genius marketing! A place where millionaires are born. I just don't like it.

 

[Silver Hand]

Argonaut - Just for the record, I was educated in NY, worked for unions and was offered a political position when I was in my mid twenty's. I ran my own successful businesses for forty years and carried licenses in Oregon to do so for thirty six years consecutively, without a laps. I never in my life declared a loss.

 

[Argonaut]

I am sure swordsmen didn't like it when guns were introduced to the battle field either.......there is no point there. People have never changed. They want the most for there dollar and clever ambitious people will find a way to thrive. No matter what society throws at them. Life has never been easy, if we don't have enough challenges come our way.......we will go searching for them. That is human nature. Our consumer goods and food costs are the lowest in any time in history as a result of clever people and corporations competing for our dollars. In a free society that is the way it works. Invent a better cheaper way and market it well.......you will be successful.

 

[Who The F R U]

Three reason's why you don't mess with old people.

#1. They were smart enough, to live long enough, to be old.
#2. They will kill you rather than fight you because they are to old for that Sheet.
#3. Refer to #1 + #2

 

[Silver Hand]

I am sure swordsmen didn't like it when guns were introduced to the battle field either.......there is no point there. People have never changed. They want the most for there dollar and clever ambitious people will find a way to thrive. No matter what society throws at them. Life has never been easy, if we don't have enough challenges come our way.......we will go searching for them. That is human nature. Our consumer goods and food costs are the lowest in any time in history as a result of clever people and corporations competing for our dollars. In a free society that is the way it works. Invent a better cheaper way and market it well.......you will be successful.

Big knives and swords are a most sure way to kill, a firearm against them within twenty feet given consideration to the drawing of the firearm, it is a bad place to be.

 

[bbbass]

Well at least these communist will make sure you don' die from gun violance.

They don't know my wife!!

 

[bbbass]

Big knives and swords are a most sure way to kill, a firearm against them within twenty feet given consideration to the drawing of the firearm, it is a bad place to be.

We've been watching "I Survived" on the Justice channel... it is amazing how many people survive having their throats cut, or being stabbed 25-47 times.

The 21' rule... is it still valid? What happens at 25'? Or 15'? We have practiced the 21' drill with a target being pulled closer... it is pretty easy to draw and engage within time (3 second PAR), but you gotta start right away. Situational awareness.

BTW You know what wins gunfights?... Intention. That's one of the big reasons why training is important, to get us used to the idea that the one that intends to live often does.

 

[bbbass]

Yup, my wife and I keep talking about the way things are going... we will probably be glad to not be around. Us old folks move out of the way and let the younguns enjoy their messes.

 

[IOM]

Three reason's why you don't mess with old people.

#1. They were smart enough, to live long enough, to be old.
#2. They will kill you rather than fight you because they are to old for that Sheet.
#3. Refer to #1 + #2

"Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."

 

[Silver Hand]

We've been watching "I Survived" on the Justice channel... it is amazing how many people survive having their throats cut, or being stabbed 25-47 times.

The 21' rule... is it still valid? What happens at 25'? Or 15'? We have practiced the 21' drill with a target being pulled closer... it is pretty easy to draw and engage within time (3 second PAR), but you gotta start right away. Situational awareness.

BTW You know what wins gunfights?... Intention. That's one of the big reasons why training is important, to get us used to the idea that the one that intends to live often does.

bbbass You sound serious and that is a good thing. What is most amazing is reading the actual federal statistic, involving every thing from one shot kills to knife and gun results.
Apart from that and in support of your statement of intent to live this is my life's best example. In 1968 one of my closest friends took eleven 7.62 x 39 mm rifle rounds to his body, chest, back, legs and arms. To everyone's surprised, he not only lived but walked again when doctors said he never would.
His shot placement, support from others and his 'will to live' kept him alive. You are 100% spot on, the fight isn't always over once a firearm is discharged and the sound of a firearm going off never kills anything.

 

[Argonaut]

Argonaut - Just for the record, I was educated in NY, worked for unions and was offered a political position when I was in my mid twenty's. I ran my own successful businesses for forty years and carried licenses in Oregon to do so for thirty six years consecutively, without a laps. I never in my life declared a loss.

I don't know what record you are defending. A New York education, licensing and past union membership are not highly thought of accomplishments here in the west. We prefer self reliance and people being elevated by individual actions rather than someone that has to rely on groups of thugs and gangsters for there life resume.

 

[Silver Hand]

I don't know what record you are defending. A New York education, licensing and past union membership are not highly thought of accomplishments here in the west. We prefer self reliance and people being elevated by individual actions rather than someone that has to rely on groups of thugs and gangsters for there life resume.

Don't know what your problem is? But you rant like a child that has lost his toys?
There is no one thinking about my accomplishments here in the North West but the brain in your head! Hearing voices are you? I'm pleased with my accomplishments and experience, I have achieved every goal ever intended. What is your problem? Who is we, as in we prefer? Are you somewhat a socialist? Go away, find yourself a life.

 

[bbbass]

Come on guys!!!

 

[bbbass]

Argonaut - Just for the record, I was educated in NY, worked for unions and was offered a political position when I was in my mid twenty's. I ran my own successful businesses for forty years and carried licenses in Oregon to do so for thirty six years consecutively, without a laps. I never in my life declared a loss.

@Silver Hand I passed on saying anything because I'm not sure where you are coming from. I also am heavily biased against unions, but I have a lib brother that is heavily for because he stayed on with the phone company and I didn't. He is thankful for his lifestyle having a union job has provided. I tell him yeah thanx for the excess in costs of my phone bill to support your lifestyle.

On the other hand, you mentioned being a successful biz owner for many years. I'm confused. Then again, I'm a simpleton.

You weren't addressing me, but just for those of us that are clueless and curious, could you please explain the point you were making?

 

[bbbass]

bbbass You sound serious and that is a good thing. What is most amazing is reading the actual federal statistic, involving every thing from one shot kills to knife and gun results.
Apart from that and in support of your statement of intent to live this is my life's best example. In 1968 one of my closest friends took eleven 7.62 x 39 mm rifle rounds to his body, chest, back, legs and arms. To everyone's surprised, he not only lived but walked again when doctors said he never would.
His shot placement, support from others and his 'will to live' kept him alive. You are 100% spot on, the fight isn't always over once a firearm is discharged and the sound of a firearm going off never kills anything.

I think what you are saying is so true! And OUCH, I'm glad your buddy made it!!!

But I really wasn't making a point about being wounded... what I was trying, and apparently ineffectively, to say is that many shooters go into panic mode when confronted with a life or death situation. Bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang... did I hit him? I've never had to do it, but I understand the old time gunfighters won by taking their time, aiming, and shooting the other guy down. They weren't shooting "at" him, nor trying to outdraw him, they were "intent" on hitting him so that he was out of the fight. Their minds focused on the task, not the risk, second thoughts, what will happen to my wife, etc. Clear the mind and concentrate on taking the other guy down. Intentionally.