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Which is better, #7 1/2 or #8?Thats why I like shotguns with birdshot. I dont even have to aim. You know, for all those times when I am shooting at someone 225 feet away.
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Which is better, #7 1/2 or #8?Thats why I like shotguns with birdshot. I dont even have to aim. You know, for all those times when I am shooting at someone 225 feet away.
I'm in the same camp as @1775usmc .9mm. Cause I can easily carry 43+ rounds on my person, recoil is nothing, follow up shots are easy, and it's what I've been shooting for over a decade. And with ballistic improvements 9mm will do anything a .45 or .40 will do.
Both will put an eye out AND cause a nasty infection.Which is better, #7 1/2 or #8?
VERY few shooters can hit well at 75 feet with a hand gun if the target is not paper. Many of them can't do it even when it is paper. It's why I often get a kick out of "shot placement" arguments. I have lost track of the shooters who told me how good they were until you get to the range with them.Ever try to hit a pop can past 75 yards with ANY caliber handgun when the adrenaline is pumping during a SD situation?
Maybe it's misguided, but I believe that using the right tool for the job matters. 75+ yards.... that's what AR pistols and rifles are for.
I see we have the same Japanese friend.Ed Zachary.
The military's focus is a bit different in that it's a weapon of last resort and at close quarters, friendly collateral injury is a factor. For LE there are other considerations and tradeoffs as well. Like collateral penetration being less desireable and for "all walks of life" that want to be LEO's being able to handle whatever caliber their department choses to issue. Costs play a part as well.If 9mm wasn't gunna cut it then the military and LE agencies wouldn't be using it….
Yosh?I see we have the same Japanese friend.
Just about everything on a Naval vessel can be taken apart with a 9/16" and 3/4" box wrenches, if those don't fit a good 6" Cresent does the trick.Which is better, #7 1/2 or #8?
I have ~7K rounds of .40 & ~5K rounds of 9mm.Not much a pistol person, but 9mm is what I prefer between the 2 asked about. It is what I am most familiar with and is ubiquitous. I did get a M1911 issued in USAEUR, will never own one after that. Happy to retire that POS for a new M9.
Sorry fanbois...
Every factor you just listed is a factor I consider when it comes to my personal carry. You have to answer for every round that comes out of your firearm.The military's focus is a bit different in that it's a weapon of last resort and at close quarters, friendly collateral injury is a factor. For LE there are other considerations and tradeoffs as well. Like collateral penetration being less desireable and for "all walks of life" that want to be LEO's being able to handle whatever caliber their department choses to issue. Costs play a part as well.
Personally, I don't consider "if it's good enough for them" as a pivotal factor in deciding what is best for my own SD. To each their own.
Glonks are good that way too. I have drop in 9x19 barrels for all my .40's sizes and... while I do have some 9mm mags.. you can run 9mm in .40mags just fine. Pretty cheap alternative to run 9 when the 40 seeds run out.As OP stated, we can swap between 9mm & .40 at will in less than 30 seconds for our SIG 226s.
Military has LONG been against most GI's using a hand gun at all, so their choice is not something to use. As for Police, sadly many of them its VERY political. Often the people making decisions on guns and ammo are no where near the streets and never are going to use what they tell the ones who are to use. I well remember when the LEO's were still armed with .38's and there was a HUGE resistance to allowing them anything larger. The people "in charge" always touted the .38 was the be all to end all and there was no reason to change.The military's focus is a bit different in that it's a weapon of last resort and at close quarters, friendly collateral injury is a factor. For LE there are other considerations and tradeoffs as well. Like collateral penetration being less desireable and for "all walks of life" that want to be LEO's being able to handle whatever caliber their department choses to issue. Costs play a part as well.
Personally, I don't consider "if it's good enough for them" as a pivotal factor in deciding what is best for my own SD. To each their own.
THAT is something I always cringe over when I see these real heavy shoots with LEO's. Often where several of them are rapid firing. Every time I see one of those I am left wondering, where the hell did all those rounds land?Every factor you just listed is a factor I consider when it comes to my personal carry. You have to answer for every round that comes out of your firearm.
I started off with .45 ACP in a WWII era 1911, then a Star PD (alloy frame, compact size - significant recoil).You could also argue that poor training and practiced personnel are afraid of recoil and prefer lighter recoiling ammo like the 9mmm and the 5.56 NATO instead of loads that are more effective on target.
Not on the BG in most cases.THAT is something I always cringe over when I see these real heavy shoots with LEO's. Often where several of them are rapid firing. Every time I see one of those I am left wondering, where the hell did all those rounds land?
On or in? HahaNot on the BG in most cases.
Neither.On or in? Haha