Liberal gun club

[4Freedom]

If you are a single issue (gun rights) voter, you're cool with me, despite the rest of you're political leanings. If you vote to take my rights away by voting for other things over gun rights, even though you kinda like guns, you're on my bubblegum list

Don't get me wrong , if I was forced to vote between pro-gun Democrat Conor Lamb or for Mayors Against Guns member, Anti-Gun Republican Rudolph Giuliani , it would not be much of a choice.

Once they take the 2nd, the rest shall follow.

 

[asbtg]

The 2nd amendment isn't for sale

For better or worse, EVERYTHING'S for sale. Heck, Amazon will even deliver it!

 

[edslhead]

Let me get this strait, the LGC is a gun club with no shooting ranges?

 

[asbtg]

Well Im a Member of The Liberal Gun Club and so far I feel welcome. Sure there been a few insulting comments but I just ignore those and stick to the honest respectful comments. Im pretty open minded and not quick to reacted even when offended.

Challenge accepted!

Kidding...

 

[Wdbyrd]

If you are a single issue (gun rights) voter, you're cool with me, despite the rest of you're political leanings. If you vote to take my rights away by voting for other things over gun rights, even though you kinda like guns, you're on my bubblegum list

There hasnt been a Candidate who has in the past or thr near future that will get congress to mobilize to pass Federal Gun Control.....So Votes for Pro Gun or Anti Gun Candidates on the federal level at this point is meaningless for the issue.....Local Candidates is a different issue.....Arizona Legislature is moving to the left and soon it may be majority Dems and at that point I will seriously either Vote for Pro gun Dems or the Republican opponent......Arizona gun laws are some of the best in the state and I don't want them to change.

 

[SUPER X]

I followed Dunehopper and lurked for a little while, I saw things exactly how he described them, shame! This brings up the point that every where you go, there are always going to be those who diss agree with every thing you point to simply because that's their DNA. I could argue the sky is blue, and tbere will always be some arseholes who dispute it simply because they have nothing better to do!
Most here know me as pretty mellow and middle of the road, most also know I'm non party, vote for the issues and politicians best, or best choice we have. Thay said, this topic like all the other political topics shows us that our own perceptions based on party of political slant over ride who we are as people, and that reflects badly on each and every one of us! My experience on your site was as expected, yet the veracity was especially hard, this is telling of how things out in the real world are happening, because we lean on the poll of party righteousness and forget to be Americans first, fighting for the same things, but we let influences dictate our position, and can never agree on any thing, ever! This is why we will always lose this fight

We will lose are 2nd amendment rights if all do not stand together and resist it by any means necessary including voting across party lines.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

Classic liberals, which are almost extinct these days support ALL of the Bill of Rights. How many times have a seen a "patriotic" conservative vote for people and policies that would be corrosive to the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments? I do believe that what's most important is who and what you vote for. As a classic liberal at heart, I voted for the people who I thought would best ensure that the Bill of Rights (all of it) was upheld and protected. That did NOT include Hillary, nor any other anti-BoR Democrat or Republican. If I could be called a one issue voter at all, that issue would be the 2nd Amendment. Now with just the slightest bit of good luck Trump will get to pick a third Constitutionalist USSC justice in the near future. Then most of these clearly unconstitutional "common sense" state level gun laws can be disqualified as unconstitutional.

 

[GWS]

Of course there's always republicans who voted for a NYC "republican" who just banned bump stocks.

I'm curious. Who did you vote for?

Yeah. I did vote for Trump. Anything else added up to a vote for Clinton and that was never an option.

 

[Wdbyrd]

I'm curious. Who did you vote for?

Yeah. I did vote for Trump. Anything else added up to a vote for Clinton and that was never an option.

Just an Observation if Clinton were President No new Federal Gun Laws would have been passed......Republicans wouldn't have budged even when asked.

 

[MannyGlocks]

I've read every post on this thread.

Many are a variation of: "Can't we just get along"?

Sure, if you disavow anything smacking of socialism/communism/so-call social justice endeavors and think guns are for fun and self defense both.

Or, if you do find socialism/communism/sjw endeavors are for you, but happen to like guns for target/competition only, never self defense, than we'll remain on opposite sides of the aisle.

Fairly easy to understand without getting overly kumbaya.

 

[slimmer13]

Just an Observation if Clinton were President No new Federal Gun Laws would have been passed......Republicans wouldn't have budged even when asked.

No new laws were passed. The ATF used existing machine gun laws to lump bump stocks in to that category. Kinda like they did with 7n6 under Obamas ATF.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Again , these threads always devolve into:

Snide , snaky remarks..
A "US" versus "Them" attitude...
Repeating of blanket statements and stereotype labels , which do not hold true for all members of any group...
These actions do not promote conversation or invite discussion.

Lets all remember rules number One and Three...
Be excellent to each other
And
Divisive , negative . offensive or inappropriate content is prohibited
Andy

 

[MountainBear]

I'm curious. Who did you vote for?

Yeah. I did vote for Trump. Anything else added up to a vote for Clinton and that was never an option.

I voted for the candidate that best represented the most values I hold dear. And while honesty, it's none of anyone's business, I will go as far as to say it wasn't Clinton or Trump. While I was certainly more comfortable with judicial nominees Trump would make, I am of the personal opinion he'd sell his own mother down the river for a KitKat bar. I did not and will not vote for him.

As I recall, my Oregon ballot had at least four candidates on it. And while you may consider it a wasted vote to vote anything but (R) or (D), I believe that it is that thought process that has us mired in the broken two-party system we currently have.

As South Park so eloquently stated, the last election was between a douche bag and a turd sandwich. I didn't want four years of either. You can consider that what you want. I regret wading into this cesspool of a conversation the first time, and I regret getting back in to add to my response. I won't be jumping back in, I've said my piece.

 

[Eeyore]

Getting back to the OP, as a gun-owning liberal, just to provide one person's view... about guns. I carry for self defense - a G30 in .45 or SP 101 in .357, depending on mood and attire - and I know many of my friends do as well. I believe the 2A is an important hedge against tyranny, and that it's just as important a civil right as the others in the Bill of Rights, and I'm sure as hell not going to sacrifice it for the 1st, 4th, or 5th - or any others - or vice versa. I compete in bullseye and 3-gun, though I appreciate an afternoon of plinking.

I, and many others in the LGC, believe that gun control is an authoritarian stance and has nothing to do with being a liberal; I think many on the anti-gun left have become sadly alienated from firearms and have been suckered by hysterical media coverage and politicians with cynical ambitions. I work hard to persuade my anti-gun friends that guns aren't the problem they have been led to believe they are. I've had some success.

Briefly about politics, because those are hard to unwind from gun issues these days: I get along well with all my conservative neighbors. We care about many of the same community issues, and respect that each other stays off our respective lawns. I help them and they help me, because we live in the same space; being good neighbors goes a hell of a long way toward moderation in other things.

How l vote, like how I spend my money, how I worship, who I love, and what I do in my own home, is none of anyone's damn business unless they're a friend of mine. I'm not being brusque, just private.

Back to gun stuff: I believe a proper rifle wears wood, though I have come to appreciate my AR as a tool. I get nervous when my stock of .22lr gets below 10k. I prefer iron sights, though my old eyes have grudgingly accepted optics on some rifles. I know for a fact that the .45 ACP is the most supremely satisfying pistol round to shoot. (though I admit 10mm has turned my head once or twice)

Thats a brief picture of liberal gun-owning me, and I appreciate being part of y'alls community.

 

[CLT65]

Just an Observation if Clinton were President No new Federal Gun Laws would have been passed......Republicans wouldn't have budged even when asked.

Two words: Supreme Court. But then we'd certainly disagree on that issue as well. This is why there can really be no agreement. While I can respect those on the other side of the isle who oppose restrictions on the second amendment, it seems that ultimately it will always take second place to their vision of social justice.

Until the mythical candidate comes along that we can both support, the vast majority of our liberal friends will continue to hold their nose and vote for the SJW candidate who will invariably support gun control, and our conservative friends will hold their nose and vote for someone like Trump. There's just no getting around that, as we've seen on this thread.

I think it's great that there are some in the liberal camp who are having a positive conversation about gun control. Keep it up; more power to you. Just don't expect many non-liberals to join in, for reasons that are obvious on this thread.

I always regret participating in these kind of threads too. They invariably go downhill in a bad way. Politics is so toxic now. I've seen otherwise nice people become snarky, mean, and hateful when politics comes up. If you want to do something positive for yourself, and the country, don't be one of those people.

 

[Mikej]

I, and many others in the LGC, believe that gun control is an authoritarian stance and has nothing to do with being a liberal; I think many on the anti-gun left have become sadly alienated from firearms and have been suckered by hysterical media coverage and politicians with cynical ambitions. I work hard to persuade my anti-gun friends that guns aren't the problem they have been led to believe they are. I've had some success.

Ain't that the truth!

And in the last couple of years free speech is in danger too. There doesn't seem to be any kind of outcry when people exercising their right to free speech get shouted down with threats of violence, and accusations of racism. It is the left that are suppressing people's right to free speech.

 

[Eeyore]

Ain't that the truth!
...

I couldn't help but notice your signature line about the need for Swede. I've got a CZ 550 FS in 6.5 x 55 Swede- one of my favorite rifles.

 

[Mikej]

I couldn't help but notice your signature line about the need for Swede. I've got a CZ 550 FS in 6.5 x 55 Swede- one of my favorite rifles.

I put that sig line in back when I was actively searching for a Swede Mauser. I ended up with a fine 1902, converted to M38. The line still fits. It's just too cold lately to get to the range and get a "fix", if you know what I mean.

 

[HuckleberryFun]

I put that sig line in back when I was actively searching for a Swede Mauser. I ended up with a fine 1902, converted to M38. The line still fits. It's just too cold lately to get to the range and get a "fix", if you know what I mean.

My first centerfire rifle was a Swedish Mauser. A boy and his gun.
I loved that Swede.

 

[Mikej]

My first centerfire rifle was a Swedish Mauser. A boy and his gun.
I loved that Swede.

You got rid of it didn't you?

I'm the offspring of depression era kids. They never got rid of anything. I'm not getting rid of, hardly, anything. And that Mauser will stay with me!