Liberal gun club

[Jim Colvill]

As I seem to recall, The Liberal Gun Club publicly came out against I-1639. Where did I see that? Oh, yeah: Washington - The Liberal Gun Club Opposes I-1639

 

[Vorpalis]

...who do they vote for?

The only way liberal democrat politicians will change their stance on guns is if their liberal democrat constituents demand it.

It's much harder to stand up for your beliefs when you're alone. Having a group that proclaims itself liberal and pro-gun isn't about segregation or exclusion, it's about gathering the lone voices of people afraid to speak-up so that they not only do speak-up, but their voices, together, are loud enough that their representatives hear them above the din of anti-gun liberal democrats.

Rebuking them for who they vote for isn't wrong, it's short-sighted—cutting off the nose to spite the face. To win this perpetual back-and-forth tug of war over guns permanently will require changing how liberal democrat politicians vote on guns, and that requires changing what their liberal democrat constituents want. That change is what liberal gun clubs are about.

Pro-gun liberals exist whether or not we agree with their votes, and they are fighting alongside us whether or not we feel good about their apparent cognitive dissonance. I like my nose right where it is, so I welcome their support, regardless of how else we may disagree.

 

[SUPER X]

I have a liberal gun owning friend...


He and his wife both voted for 1639

I have a freind that was somewhat anti. But voted against 1639 and bought her first firearm shortly after its passing.

 

[Jim Colvill]

In response as to who we liberals vote for, I'm seeing quite an assumption that we all vote in lock-step with the Democrats. This is as correct an assumption as saying all conservatives vote for autocratic candidates beholding to the Christian Taliban and corporate money interests.

As for me, I look back at my last ballot and see quite a few write-ins and empty squares. Am I doing something wrong here?

 

[HuckleberryFun]

I guess I need to go back and read the link again, it's possible I missed any mention of guns used for self defense, with the exception of one gay woman hinting see wanted to be armed for self protection, I saw no other claim to own guns for self defense.

Why is that?

Guns for hunting and competition sure, but almost no mention for self defense.

Because liberal gun owners are still dependent on the late arriving police.

Not a knock on Law Enforcement. Just the recognition they can't be everywhere or perhaps anywhere quickly enough to save anyones bacon. That's really up to you....But, the L.B.C. mentions little if any gun use in that direction. Plus, they'd all (most likely) be fine if they could only have a magazine limit of 10 and caliber no bigger than .22 caliber if their overlords deemed it so.

The author founded a paper (I guess) with the word 'free' in the title. uh-huh...

I'm a member of the Liberal Gun Club. I have my CHL and I conceal carry every day. I personally know other LGCers that do the same. Even those members who do not CC vociferously support active self defense with firearms in our forums. I can't recall a member ever saying "I have guns but I would never shoot someone even in self defense." You are confusing us with a certain type of traditional liberal that is scared of guns. We are not that.
Many liberals and lefties are not that, but the paint gets applied with a broad brush, doesn't it?

 

[HuckleberryFun]

And just what do the members of a Liberal gun club do?

Shoot each other in the foot?

I'm an LGC member.
I regularly shoot Outdoor Bullseye Pistol at 25 yards and 50 yards,
offhand one-handed. Highpower Rifle out to 600 yards.
Still got all my toes.

 

[HuckleberryFun]

In response as to who we liberals vote for, I'm seeing quite an assumption that we all vote in lock-step with the Democrats. This is as correct an assumption as saying all conservatives vote for autocratic candidates beholding to the Christian Taliban and corporate money interests.

As for me, I look back at my last ballot and see quite a few write-ins and empty squares. Am I doing something wrong here?

Nope. I do the same. I vote for no candidate that has come out publicly for gun restrictions of any kind. Blankety blank blank blank

 

[Andy54Hawken]

To be honest here :
I am not a fan of labels...
I have called many things here on this forum...
Have had my patriotism questioned..
And my being soft spoken , has been mistaken for weakness...

I do not like labels , because I do not fit into them , due to my thinking and actions...also labels can lead to stifling of original thought.
Name calling usually just leads to a shut down of any actual dialog , or a "tit for tat" situation.
I served for 8 years in the Army and have 4 combat tours ...I love my country , what she stands for and the ideas of what she may become...so knocking my patriotism , is not a good way to talk to me.
As for being soft spoken...I find that I can get more done by being so ...but , I can also , when it is needed , act with sudden and direct decisiveness .

Why say all of the above...?
Because I have called
Liberal...
A Democrat...
Unpatriotic...
Weak...

There are members here on NWFA that are also members of The Liberal Gun Club...
I for one , do not want our forum here to make others feel excluded.
Will we please everyone here on our site..?
Will we or can we be all for everyone..?
Of course not...but we don't have to go down the road of other forums , that I know of and end up all alone and talking to ourselves , 'cause not one wants to join our forum.
Andy

 

[surevaliance]

-Liberal Gun Club-
I think that might be Webster's definition for the word Oxymoron.

Reminds me vegetarian steak.

 

[Knebel]

"I was on some of the online gun forums, and I got really tired of the hate and vitriol being spewed towards people of my political persuasion. Being called a libtard. Seeing things like 'Obama's a secret Muslim.' Just asinine stuff," he said. "So, that's what kind of pushed me to start Googling around for a liberal, progressive gun club. It happened to be one of the first ones that popped up. I found it to be a very welcoming community."


So how is this different from being called a Nazi, racist, homophobe or xenophobe both side need to cool it on some of the rhetoric and I include myself in this statement.

But I agree with notazombie who do they vote for. In this day and age there does not seem to be a pro gun liberal candidate anywhere.

Normally I am not a one topic voter I have always wanted a candidate who would do the most for the country but it seems that last few years it has come down to one topic "DO YOU SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT."

nazi, homophobe, xenophobe are real words, libtard is something someone with an intellect of a kindergardener made up. When someone writes THAT word, I personally stop reading too because thats childish and dumb.

I'm a liberal too by the way. Now dont confuse liberal with leftist please. It is quite hard to choose who to support, honestly. But everyone must outweigh the benefit a candidate provides for themself.

 

[shibbershabber]

In response as to who we liberals vote for, I'm seeing quite an assumption that we all vote in lock-step with the Democrats. This is as correct an assumption as saying all conservatives vote for autocratic candidates beholding to the Christian Taliban and corporate money interests.

As for me, I look back at my last ballot and see quite a few write-ins and empty squares. Am I doing something wrong here?

Well, write ins and empty boxes dont change elections around here, unless you are a Republican. Liberals can safely make protest votes all day long and know that it will not change the outcome of the election... we all know who calls the shots on the west coast.


It is probably unfair what gets heaped onto liberal gun owners.... there are not enough of you to change the trajectory of your party.
Right or wrong, you get the Benedict Arnold treatment.

Seriously though, if you think Autocracy & Corporate lapdoggery are solely the domain of Republicans....... you might want to re-examine your information sources

 

[MannyGlocks]

OK, here's the situation: I find any hint of socialism (liberalism is a kissin cousin) repellent.

Why?

Because it took me decades to get out of grinding poverty through hard work and stoicism. Not government help..

Now and have been wealthy for some years.

I share my wealth with those I choose i.e., my Daughter and Grandchildren. Big charities like United Way, nope...

My choice.

Not by government decree. And sure as hell won't share it with some slug who won't work or expects the government to take from me and give to him/her. Nope, nuh-uh. SJW's my gluteus maximus....

Liberals want to decide where and how I distribute my money aren't the kind of folks I trust...Heck, if I wanted to I could keep all my moola and not help any in my family. My choice to do or not do...

It's that simple.

I don't trust liberals to decide how I lead my life or spend my money or decide how socially I should act. The 10 Commandments are pretty basic and work for me. I don't some liberal telling me how I should do this or that because it''ll be noble in their eyes...

Think cozying up to people like me by being a member of a gun club (self admittedly not to shoot much, but socialize) is going to win me over?

No.

Decry socialism/communism and government interference into people's lives, well partner, maybe we can become friends.

 

[HuckleberryFun]

Well, write ins and empty boxes dont change elections around here, unless you are a Republican. Liberals can safely make protest votes all day long and know that it will not change the outcome of the election... we all know who calls the shots on the west coast.


It is probably unfair what gets heaped onto liberal gun owners.... there are not enough of you to change the trajectory of your party.
Right or wrong, you get the Benedict Arnold treatment.

Seriously though, if you think Autocracy & Corporate lapdoggery are solely the domain of Republicans....... you might want to re-examine you information sources

It would be stating the obvious that both parties are corrupt lapdogs of the people that own this country and run our lives (or try to). We are all of us captive to a corrupt political system that is not there for us but there to use and manipulate us. All of us want something better. Where we differ is what "better" means.

 

[DB is Here]

If you haven't watched what Dave Rubin on his You Tube channel is doing then you're assuming much. I used to call liberals Libtards until I actually talked to them and found that on most things we can agree.

If you can't see that the Political Leaders are doing more to whip up frenzy and keep Americans separated, then actually solving problems then I'm afraid you're part of the problem. To be honest I'll welcome all who will fight for our Civil Rights, but if you're on the side that keeps closing in the tent and determining who and who cannot help us all in this fight then you're a fool.

I don't normally come off this strong, but this tribalism is really starting to piss me off....nuff said.

 

[MannyGlocks]

"It would be stating the obvious that both parties are corrupt lapdogs"

Where have I heard that style rhetoric before...oh right, red china....

 

[s1xty7]

A lot of perspectives share common core values. As has been said, we put too much weight behind labels. I'm all for hard work and pulling yourself out of your own mess. I'm also for less government but helping those who truly need a hand. If you want to be gay, it's your life and your right. I'm pro freedom. Pro rights for everyone regardless of race, religion, or sexual choices. Those beliefs put me at odds with both major parties and I feel like the majority of people I speak with aren't in 100% alignment with either party as well. If discussing ten subjects, we might disagree on one or two, but agree on the rest. Do we let those one or two differences pull us apart or do we find a path in the middle? The political machine we have at play in the US seems to be structured like a story of good vs evil, with the sides switching depending on who is telling the story. If we can't start working together to find common ground, then we can't expect anything to change. So, is a Liberal Gun Club a bad thing? I don't think so. Regardless of the side you are on, if you stopped and talked to the members of "the other side", I think you would find more common ground than not. The key is to have an open mind and drop the labels.

 

[HuckleberryFun]

"It would be stating the obvious that both parties are corrupt lapdogs"

Where have I heard that style rhetoric before...oh right, red china....

I was using shibbershabber's "corporate lapdoggery" phrase above and borrowed/rephrased it. Comparing our leaders with Red China's didn't occur to me, but now that you mention it... thanks.

 

[SUPER X]

OK, here's the situation: I find any hint of socialism (liberalism is a kissin cousin) repellent.

Why?

Because it took me decades to get out of grinding poverty through hard work and stoicism. Not government help..

Now and have been wealthy for some years.

I share my wealth with those I choose i.e., my Daughter and Grandchildren. Big charities like United Way, nope...

My choice.

Not by government decree. And sure as hell won't share it with some slug who won't work or expects the government to take from me and give to him/her. Nope, nuh-uh. SJW's my gluteus maximus....

Liberals want to decide where and how I distribute my money aren't the kind of folks I trust...Heck, if I wanted to I could keep all my moola and not help any in my family. My choice to do or not do...

It's that simple.

I don't trust liberals to decide how I lead my life or spend my money or decide how socially I should act. The 10 Commandments are pretty basic and work for me. I don't some liberal telling me how I should do this or that because it''ll be noble in their eyes...

Think cozying up to people like me by being a member of a gun club (self admittedly not to shoot much, but socialize) is going to win me over?

No.

Decry socialism/communism and government interference into people's lives, well partner, maybe we can become friends.

The basic format of behavior was laid out many years ago . In the constatution the bill of rights and the 10 commandments . All men shall be created equal Very few live by this . The wealthy step on those that aren't. Theres many faces of racism .not just the popular ones . Thou shalt not covet the neibors wife or possessions ect . If these basic rules of respect were applied by all there would be very little trouble. If a guy is not coveting his neibors wife his neibor probably is not going to resort to his 2nd amendment right to square up with him.

 

[HuckleberryFun]

A lot of perspectives share common core values. As has been said, we put too much weight behind labels. I'm all for hard work and pulling yourself out of your own mess. I'm also for less government but helping those who truly need a hand. If you want to be gay, it's your life and your right. I'm pro freedom. Pro rights for everyone regardless of race, religion, or sexual choices. Those beliefs put me at odds with both major parties and I feel like the majority of people I speak with aren't in 100% alignment with either party as well. If discussing ten subjects, we might disagree on one or two, but agree on the rest. Do we let those one or two differences pull us apart or do we find a path in the middle? The political machine we have at play in the US seems to be structured like a story of good vs evil, with the sides switching depending on who is telling the story. If we can't start working together to find common ground, then we can't expect anything to change. So, is a Liberal Gun Club a bad thing? I don't think so. Regardless of the side you are on, if you stopped and talked to the members of "the other side", I think you would find more common ground than not. The key is to have an open mind and drop the labels.

I agree with 90% of what you said, and mildly disagree with 10%
I can live with that if you can. ;-)

 

[MannyGlocks]

When liberals state they aren't for socialism or communism or re-distributing/confiscatory taxes we can start a dialogue that may very well morph into friendship, but if you want to steal from me and play faux-Robin Hood, we'll remain opposed...

Without that we have nothing in common and I want nothing to do with you.

Sound harsh?

Yeah, I resist being stolen from while being told 'no, we're not peeing on your shoes...it's raining'