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im not pissed!
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Re ammo cost, specialty ammo here is pretty expensive even in .22 but the bulk or even run of the mill stuff is cheap. 2.8 cents per round is about the cheapest. So a 3 second 30 round burst on my 15-22 w/binary costs about 84 cents. The same burst in 223/556 would cost a little over $7 here. 9mm would be about $5 @ 17 cents per round.Don't overlook that in general, we have to pay around twice what you do to buy our guns, especially if they are from the US. You can buy the RPR in 6.5 Creedmore for around $1350 - I've seen them for an even K, over here they are well nigh 2K and up. Leupold scopes? don't get me started...... You also seem to get .22 ammunition for nothing.... I pay £95 for 500 Eley match.
Costy sports here in UK are -
1. Anything to do with horses.
2. Anything to with sail-boats bigger than around 25 feet.
3. Anything to do with fixed-wing 'fun-flying'. Learning to fly costs around $600/hour.
4. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, to do with rotary-wing. Learning to fly costs around $1000/hour.
5. Polo.
6. Real tennis.
7. Any motor sports. Even demolition derby-style stuff.
8. Anything in sport that is not funded is expensive - if you have a gifted athlete child, like our niece does [acrobatic gymnastics - they live in Scotland]. Travelling seven hundred miles to a competition in Cornwall has to be paid by the parents. For example, the British tumbling and trampolining team won gold medals in Japan two weeks ago. Not only has nobody ever heard of them, they had to pay for it themselves. These are not elitists, just ordinary youngsters who happen to be good at their chosen sport.
im not pissed!
O. I have three Rolex watches, among about forty others, that is. My cars are Mercedes-Benz and Porsche, too. I guess I'm a bloated plutocrat elitist. And here's me thinking I was a regular kind of guy.
That is what I meant to say. I'm also talking about high school kids with limited budgets. A typical winning score would have been as follows:Sorry, Sir, but 90+ is where you START to get competitive.
That is what I meant to say. I'm also talking about high school kids with limited budgets. A typical winning score would have been as follows:
Prone: 100
Sitting: 100
Kneeling: 99
Standing: 98
Total: 397
You might be surprised. Match type accuracy is affected by things like the right pull length and comb height. Trigger settings are also critical. Anything that adds stress or tension to your body as you hold the rifle detracts from accuracy at that level. We always laid off of nicotine and caffeine a couple days before a match.1K for a .22 rifle is FAR from something new. Its easy to do this with a lowly 10/22. It's easy to see some examples people have built up and spent that kind of money. Hand me one and I probably could not do much better than I could if I was shooting any of my several stock 10/22's but that's on me and my skill. Some shooters can buy one of these and do stuff that is amazing.
Hell my Wife has several times looked real seriously at a Ruger MK pistol that would run us $700 out the door. Every time she starts looking at one I have been saying "buy the damn thing if you want it". We can certainly afford it no problem. If it will get her to shoot more well worth it to me. Now if she gets it I doubt I will shoot it much better than my favorite 22/45 LITE that I paid much less for. The one she wants is far nicer to look at for sure, and in the hands of someone who is more talented than me I am sure they could make it sing. Hell if Wife wanted one of these 1K rifles and I thought she would actually shoot it I would be telling her buy it tomorrow.
That's interesting it is such a tiny difference to win. Do those matches ever have targets where they have to acquire and fire at different targets at speed? That would make it more interesting I would think.?That is what I meant to say. I'm also talking about high school kids with limited budgets. A typical winning score would have been as follows:
Prone: 100
Sitting: 100
Kneeling: 99
Standing: 98
Total: 397
Lot of it with me these days is my eye's. They just don't work like they used to. Of course I never bother shooting from a bench any more though too. I do like a good trigger. That is one thing that still makes a big difference for even me.You might be surprised. Match type accuracy is affected by things like the right pull length and comb height. Trigger settings are also critical. Anything that adds stress or tension to your body as you hold the rifle detracts from accuracy at that level. We always laid off of nicotine and caffeine a couple days before a match.
That's interesting it is such a tiny difference to win. Do those matches ever have targets where they have to acquire and fire at different targets at speed? That would make it more interesting I would think.?
My experience was all NRA competition. Club matches and postal matches. All slow fire with a time limit.I'm guessing that these youngsters are competing in the type of shooting where slow-fire is the norm, as in ISSF target shooting. The kind of shooting you are talking about is not possible with single-shot rifles on an indoor range.
Sorry guys. Sometimes I start a thread to figure something out and end up just pissing everyone off because I think differently.
My experience was all NRA competition. Club matches and postal matches. All slow fire with a time limit.
I have a standard Ruger 10/22. I punch holes through dimes at 50 yards. The scope I use is a Vortex Tactical. Anything past 50 yards, and environmental's, Drop & drift, come into play. Yes, I do shoot 22lr out to 200 yards plus, and hit clays, but the amount of holdover is insane! IMHO, these high price rifles are all about ego.What's up with 22 rifles going into the $1000 plus market these days?
Is it a club restriction on ammo or distances?
Are we so restricted in states that 22 is now the only option?
I freaking love 22lr, but I simply do not understand how there are 22lr rifles that cost more than their high end center fire counterparts!
Do these high end guns make bulk ammo shoot sub minute?
Is it just gun guys with too much money wanting a Rimfire version of their centerfire gun?
I know some here own a Vuduu or similar, so I'm hoping one of them might chime in.
For reference, this has an msrp of $1100.
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This action alone with no stock is $1700
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Meanwhile, this newly released Ruger is only $600 msrp.
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What am I missing?