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it was a horrible situation to be in for sure, and luckily the person with the gun had the training to use if effectively.
I would most certainly want a gun if I had no other choice, and the options were die or try. I just dont think the odds of me winding up in a situation like that warrant the hassles of concealment. Again, only for me, and only for the time being.
I personally mentioned lack of training as a reason I dont carry, because I don't own a handgun, and am not very good with one. That will change soon enough, with a big box of ammo and some paper targets.
Also, I have no idea how I would react under fire. This probably wouldn't concern me nearly as much if I had a pistol I was comfortable with though.
Why I carry: Because the skies clouded up and a loud voice said "Walk softly and carry a big stick" and I thought he said "Sig".
Seriously, I grew up next to the tracks where hobos and other vagrants would come in and cause problems. Some friends of my folks got kidnapped out of their home just a block away, tied up and driven in the trunk of their car to Arizona and never returned. A friend got knifed in the back while waiting in line for a burrito. Gangs of roaming thugs in my neighborhood (home of Mike Tyson). Kids that used to beat me up for my lunch money. The world is a dangerous place, I'm not volunteering to go bye-bye.
When people mention the need for training, I am slightly baffled. I have been shooting since I was 16. My wife grew up in a rural area where they always had firearms around. What is this lack of ability to shoot? I firmly believe that the demand for specific training of civilian defenders is something that has been jinned up. Get a handgun, some rounds, and a paper target. If you can put bullets on paper, and handle your weapon safely, you are good to go. I have the advantage of being more specifically trained during IDPA shoots. That just means I can handle multiple supposed bad guys while shooting under stress. My wife has never had formal training, but don't mess with her because she is mean and will shoot yer thingie off. Point being, most times the weapon does not even need to be fired... the mere display of a weapon is often enough. However, in the case of a determined attacker, wouldn't just being an average shot be enough "training" to at least make the attempt to put a stop to the proceedings? Just remember to make sure of the background, ie no bystanders in the direction you need to shoot, but that is basic safety.
I personally mentioned lack of training as a reason I dont carry, because I don't own a handgun, and am not very good with one. That will change soon enough, with a big box of ammo and some paper targets.
Great with a rifle, but cant lug that around town.
Also, I have no idea how I would react under fire. This probably wouldn't concern me nearly as much if I had a pistol I was comfortable with though.
Surprisingly, pistol shooting is a lot harder then most people think it is, I sucked at it when first starting out, and had to continue training/practicing constantly to be even close to what I consider good enough! I have spent literally 29 years shooting almost daily to get and maintain those standards, and any time I don't shoot for a while, I find my self needing more work just to get to where I was! Doesn't help getting older fatter, and slower ether! LOL
I had a situation several years ago, One where I could have drawn, but chose not to. I found the situation was VERY bad on several levels, and the choice to not draw and shoot was ultimately the correct one. One thing that I did, and the detectives were very impressed with, was to get down on one knee and keep an eye on the threat while positioning my self to unholster and draw unseen, when asked why I did that, My answer surprised every one involved, I had taken that position so that IF a shot was unavoidable in such a crowded situation, I would be shooting up wards, so that my misses would end up in the ceiling and not a bystander. I also had the choice to move closer to the threat, or to back away as the situation unfolded. THIS IS WHY training IS important, How many folks would have thought instinctively to take up such a position? How many folks actually think about where all those bullets are going when the fight is on? Simply owning a gun and choosing to carry isn't enough, Not in today's world of endless legal challenges and harassment for self defense!!!
Great thoughts group.
One thing I wonder about though, if shtf, you retreat to a rifle and come to the defense of others in a public or worse yet "gun free zone" how would the first cop on the scene know that YOU are a good guy with a gun???
Great thoughts group.
One thing I wonder about though, if shtf, you retreat to a rifle and come to the defense of others in a public or worse yet "gun free zone" how would the first cop on the scene know that YOU are a good guy with a gun???
I had a situation several years ago, One where I could have drawn, but chose not to. I found the situation was VERY bad on several levels, and the choice to not draw and shoot was ultimately the correct one. One thing that I did, and the detectives were very impressed with, was to get down on one knee and keep an eye on the threat while positioning my self to unholster and draw unseen, when asked why I did that, My answer surprised every one involved, I had taken that position so that IF a shot was unavoidable in such a crowded situation, I would be shooting up wards, so that my misses would end up in the ceiling and not a bystander. I also had the choice to move closer to the threat, or to back away as the situation unfolded. THIS IS WHY training IS important, How many folks would have thought instinctively to take up such a position? How many folks actually think about where all those bullets are going when the fight is on? Simply owning a gun and choosing to carry isn't enough, Not in today's world of endless legal challenges and harassment for self defense!!!
I had a situation several years ago, One where I could have drawn, but chose not to. I found the situation was VERY bad on several levels, and the choice to not draw and shoot was ultimately the correct one. One thing that I did, and the detectives were very impressed with, was to get down on one knee and keep an eye on the threat while positioning my self to unholster and draw unseen, when asked why I did that, My answer surprised every one involved, I had taken that position so that IF a shot was unavoidable in such a crowded situation, I would be shooting up wards, so that my misses would end up in the ceiling and not a bystander. I also had the choice to move closer to the threat, or to back away as the situation unfolded. THIS IS WHY training IS important, How many folks would have thought instinctively to take up such a position? How many folks actually think about where all those bullets are going when the fight is on? Simply owning a gun and choosing to carry isn't enough, Not in today's world of endless legal challenges and harassment for self defense!!!
Surprisingly, pistol shooting is a lot harder then most people think it is, I sucked at it when first starting out, and had to continue training/practicing constantly to be even close to what I consider good enough! I have spent literally 29 years shooting almost daily to get and maintain those standards, and any time I don't shoot for a while, I find my self needing more work just to get to where I was! Doesn't help getting older fatter, and slower ether! LOL
Without proper training, you may get good at hitting paper, but are you good at making proper decisions? Are you training in alternatives to shooting? Are you training to stay out of a situation where you need to draw in the first place? Also, are you training to move while shooting? Drawing and reholstering? Shooting from behind cover? Practicing failure drills and tactical reloads? Assuming you know enough about these things is not the best way to proceed. Others have far more insight and can share that with you.
That training may even save my life someday. I'm thankful for having had the opportunity, and looking forward to the next opportunity to learn even more.