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I wonder if there would be 5 pages worth of contentious responses posted here if a naked women was beating up a homeless guy?
A lot of the homeless around PDX carry rocks for self defense. Very effective actually, having had to clean out the wounds inflicted when one homeless man attacks another with a rock in the ER. Also, you can find them virtually anywhere and if you drop one, it blends into the landscape when LE shows up. At least according to the homeless guys who are mentally ill who have talked to me about it while I am helping patch them up. A sock and a rock make quite a lethal weapon. There is a lot of violence among the homeless and especially AGAINST the mentally ill homeless. Surprisingly, the mentally ill have a slightly lower crime rate than the sane. They are however much more likely to be the victim. Most have a fear of LE as they are the ones who pick them up for acting erratically. I have convinced a couple to press charges, but I literally had to stand by my patient in one case for moral support.I wonder if there would be 5 pages worth of contentious responses posted here if a naked women was beating up a homeless guy?
Hence why we carry, own a fire extinguisher and life insurance I suppose.That said, statistics and anecdote go out the window should you actually need a gun.
A sock and a rock make quite a lethal weapon. There is a lot of violence among the homeless and especially AGAINST the mentally ill homeless.
People who believe in rights are becoming apoplectic
All I got from this thread is this:
The ride never ends.
- Can afford a pistol caliber carbine, but not carrying NIKON with HICAP memory card, 30 shots per seconds
- At no point was there an attempt at visually recording the situation as it happened, despite being too far (allegedly) from the alleged attacker
- Some people believe one should not be allowed to keep and bare arms (of your choice, especially if one can conceal them, i.e. SUB2K)
- This board has been trolled/shilled by anti-constitutionalists.
- People who believe in rights are becoming apathetic, or support training education for rights, rather than God given rights backed by the Constitution
Never forget Mike Strickland.
Did you ever hear from the police? Did they ever ask for a statement from you?Totally agree.
Also I think we have to keep in mind that often we don't know the dynamics of the situation. If this was like a patty Hurst thing and the woman was yelling for help or if it was a child I would have had a much different reaction. But in this case it's hard to tell what is going on and all I was interested in was stopping the attack. Then the police can figure out what the situation is etc. i totally agree it's not our job to "play police".
No. I waited 35 min or so and I couldn't wait anymore. I left my number with the other guy in case they needed it. He was going to continue to wait.Did you ever hear from the police? Did they ever ask for a statement from you?
Not me... I'm a patriarchal misogynist. It's just how I was taught and how I roll. But as long as there is a force disparity, I'll probably DO something, rather than just stand and watch, no matter what the sexes involved are. In today's world is hard to tell what is what anyway.
This is not clickbait, just want to share my experience today. Here are my personal takeaways, or beliefs, from the event and no one else has to agree with me on anything. Someone else may feel totally different. I just want to share my experience.
1) Portland homelessness is really out of control. More on that later
2) Men who attack women are cowards, plain and simple.
3) A gun may not needed to stop an attack and should be used only if needed to stop the attack.
4) Having a legal concealed carry weapon gives tremendous piece of mind that it is there if needed.
5) If at all possible, concealed weapons holders should to have protection with them all the time.
So what happened is I was hiking at a Portland public nature area. I'd rather not name it but it close to I205 and is "off the beaten path" from a well used park.
I ran into a local government employee (not a Leo) and was shooting the breeze and talking about how much trash and homeless debris was at this beautiful natural area. He said there used to be a camp at a location on the site but they cleaned them all out. I mentioned to him I just saw a guy and camp at that same spot. We walked over to take a look and we saw the attack. I thought he was beating on a golden retriever or something (beige/blonde) color but he recognized her right away as a naked woman.
The guy was really beating on her. All I could think about was stopping it immediately. I yelled at him and he immediately backed off.
We were in a cliff about 100 feet high and the victim was on the bottom. We were nowhere near a trail to get down there but I knew where the trail was. It would have taken me a long time to get down there.
However I did have a pistol caliber carbine with optic and shoulder brace. At that range there is absolutely no question it could easily stop the attack if needed -assuming the victim was not near/at risk.
edit/clarification: The firearm is legally a pistol, but many people refer to these kinds of firearms as PCCs. The term "PCC" may be technically incorrect but it helps clarify that it's not a pistol such as a 1911 or smaller.
Fortunately It was not needed at all in this situation. If the man had a gun or knife or didn't back away then perhaps things would have been different but that is hypothetical.
The government employee called 911. We waited there as the woman got to relative safety and a couple times the guy started going towards her again. A few shouted choice words checked him both times. Finally the guy left the area and we kept an eye on him for when the police arrived.
I had to go pick up family so after waiting about 35 min I had to go and left my number with the gov employee who stayed to wait for te Police. Not sure what happened after that.
I'll try to write more about what I learned about the homeless situation later as I'm out of time now. Just wanted to share this experience. Portland sure has changed and I encourage all you legal concealed handgun permit holders to try to carry when u can.
Thx!
My takeaway:
You go for walks in Portland with a carbine?
This is not clickbait, just want to share my experience today. Here are my personal takeaways, or beliefs, from the event and no one else has to agree with me on anything. Someone else may feel totally different. I just want to share my experience.
1) Portland homelessness is really out of control. More on that later
2) Men who attack women are cowards, plain and simple.
3) A gun may not needed to stop an attack and should be used only if needed to stop the attack.
4) Having a legal concealed carry weapon gives tremendous piece of mind that it is there if needed.
5) If at all possible, concealed weapons holders should to have protection with them all the time.
So what happened is I was hiking at a Portland public nature area. I'd rather not name it but it close to I205 and is "off the beaten path" from a well used park.
I ran into a local government employee (not a Leo) and was shooting the breeze and talking about how much trash and homeless debris was at this beautiful natural area. He said there used to be a camp at a location on the site but they cleaned them all out. I mentioned to him I just saw a guy and camp at that same spot. We walked over to take a look and we saw the attack. I thought he was beating on a golden retriever or something (beige/blonde) color but he recognized her right away as a naked woman.
The guy was really beating on her. All I could think about was stopping it immediately. I yelled at him and he immediately backed off.
We were in a cliff about 100 feet high and the victim was on the bottom. We were nowhere near a trail to get down there but I knew where the trail was. It would have taken me a long time to get down there.
However I did have a pistol caliber carbine with optic and shoulder brace. At that range there is absolutely no question it could easily stop the attack if needed -assuming the victim was not near/at risk.
edit/clarification: The firearm is legally a pistol, but many people refer to these kinds of firearms as PCCs. The term "PCC" may be technically incorrect but it helps clarify that it's not a pistol such as a 1911 or smaller.
Fortunately It was not needed at all in this situation. If the man had a gun or knife or didn't back away then perhaps things would have been different but that is hypothetical.
The government employee called 911. We waited there as the woman got to relative safety and a couple times the guy started going towards her again. A few shouted choice words checked him both times. Finally the guy left the area and we kept an eye on him for when the police arrived.
I had to go pick up family so after waiting about 35 min I had to go and left my number with the gov employee who stayed to wait for te Police. Not sure what happened after that.
I'll try to write more about what I learned about the homeless situation later as I'm out of time now. Just wanted to share this experience. Portland sure has changed and I encourage all you legal concealed handgun permit holders to try to carry when u can.
Thx!