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I can see where you would think I got off topic. I should have prefaced my remarks with: the .308 must be an accurate caliber if some snipers use it?I thought you wanted a hunting rifle?
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I can see where you would think I got off topic. I should have prefaced my remarks with: the .308 must be an accurate caliber if some snipers use it?I thought you wanted a hunting rifle?
Apparently, the .308 (and probably is better known in the NATO caliber measurement) was used as a US sniper caliber of choice. The British sniper gun is clearly way better. I'll include the article if you want to read it. It's fairly short.
5 Sniper Rifles That Can Turn Any Solider into the Ultimate Weapon
I can see where you would think I got off topic. I should have prefaced my remarks with: the .308 must be an accurate caliber if some snipers use it?
Dang, but can you trust what you get on ebay is not a copy? I've just never used ebay ...
LOL! But you missed a very important key point in my selection....^^that^^ is funny, though.
Dang, but can you trust what you get on ebay is not a copy? I've just never used ebay ...
.308 is plenty powerful and has lots of accuracy potential. Great for deer, marginal for anything much bigger IMO.
LOL! But you missed a very important key point in my selection....^^that^^ is funny, though.
Would you say the same thing of a 30-06? muzzle energy of 2,820ft⋅lbf with 150gr pellet
.308 = 2648ft# muzzle energy with 150gr
My buddies kill lots of elk with 30-06. I've killed a number of elk with .308, and so have millions of other hunters. Although I care not what the OP uses, lets be real. I wouldn't go after one with a .223, I'd say .243 is marginal. Can't make up my mind about 30-30 for elk.
Many variables come into play when hunting game larger than deer... are we wanting 600yd kill shots, neck shots, heart/lung shots, break the shoulder shot, backbone shot? What type of larger game? Elk, moose, bear, giraffe, lion, rhino, water buffalo, elephant?
Just saying it wouldn't be my first choice for a dedicated elk or bear rifle. Especially in open areas.
I can understand that. It REALLY wouldn't be my FIRST choice for bear. I'd want something with lots of cross-sectional density. I don't hunt bear and never will, but when I was fishing in brown bear country, I carried a short barreled 12ga with rifled barrel and slugs.
Does the OP need a magnum, a Creedmore, what? Is a brand new hunter better off with something that has the ability to reach 500yds, or something that has manageable recoil and reasonable ballistics that can be relied upon at the distances that most elk are killed, even in open country. Personally, I'd put a muzzleloader in his hands so he's not spraying the countryside or scoping other hunters.
I can understand that. It REALLY wouldn't be my FIRST choice for bear. I'd want something with lots of cross-sectional density. I don't hunt bear and never will, but when I was fishing in brown bear country, I carried a short barreled 12ga with rifled barrel and slugs.
Does the OP need a magnum, a Creedmore, what? Is a brand new hunter better off with something that has the ability to reach 500yds, or something that has manageable recoil and reasonable ballistics that can be relied upon at the distances that most elk are killed, even in open country. Personally, I'd put a muzzleloader in his hands so he's not spraying the countryside or scoping other hunters.
Got the SS model in 7mm mag. Not a bad choice.I love this rifle and it comes in about every caliber imaginable!View attachment 553959
Yeah, I'm not rereading this entire thread, so I may have missed if the OP said what he plans on hunting, so I would assume deer would be a good place to start. I dont really love a one rifle fits all approach. I like dedicated rifles. For a deer gun for a new hunter, I would recommend a .243, like me and millions of other kids started with.
You really have to take everything into consideration and unless you are hunting 1 species in 1 type of terrain , normal hunters have several guns to choose for the hunt...At least me and my friends do.
Are you hunting brushy , wooded areas , or open fields, plains , or rocky Mountain sides with ravines and Draws ?
Are your shots going to be 100 Yards or less or over 200 yards or more ?
Are you going to only get one shot , or might you need fast follow up shot on running game ?
These questions were what I asked Buyers to even start to determine what kind of gun they needed and then Caliber.
Caliber would then be determined by some of the above and what species was being hunted.
With all the above data , then we moved on to scope size, power, mount type and brand other than Simmons , tasco, etc...
Lastly would be the ammo selection by bullet weight to match all the above.
Too Light for Alaska Moose ,even 30/06 was marginal as I found out, 280 might be Ok for sheep, goat , and Caribou , but if you ever go hunting in Alaska make sure to take your own ammo as you won't find it in most local stores outside of the big city...Nobody shoots it up there ! It also would not qualify for Buffalo by regulation, and Most Grizzly bear guides would frown at it.Then start from the start and forget all extra fluff. 0 to 400, timber to open fields and canyons:
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700 mountain rifle (in a Mcmillan KS pattern stock), 280 Remington, Leupold 6x36 scope. I could do 100% of my hunting from antelope to moose with it.