Trying to explain this to our 11yo daughter too - she doesn't understand, but knows something is wrong. We hate hearing these stories, and I really hope we find a way to get his under control. Relatively speaking, this is a new type of event historically. This wasn't happening regularly just 30 years ago. We need to identify the root causes and do what we can to fix it - and that it going to take a collective effort on the part of all Americans - and probably won't require politicians to arrive at the solution.
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Trying to explain this to our 11yo daughter too - she doesn't understand, but knows something is wrong. We hate hearing these stories, and I really hope we find a way to get his under control. Relatively speaking, this is a new type of event historically. This wasn't happening regularly just 30 years ago. We need to identify the root causes and do what we can to fix it - and that it going to take a collective effort on the part of all Americans - and probably won't require politicians to arrive at the solution.
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The Eighth Amendment has nothing to do with saving lives, nor does it hinder the ability to save one. I don't think anyone could make that kind of argument regarding the Eighth Amendment, not that it would be a valid argument to removing any rights.
My problem is how the court handles these cases. They let the person plead insanity, which will take even longer, and will likely use that as an excuse to not give the death penalty if they were found insane. Insane or not, the person committed the crime. In this event, they know he did it, all the facts say he did it, and there's no arguing that he did not do it. In cases like that, the death penalty should be handed quite readily.
As for a deterrent, a method of execution where they're not supposed to be unconscious would probably help.
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It's common to ask "How many shootings have to happen before So And So starts doing something about it!"
My question is "How many shootings have to happen before criminals finally learn not to bring firearms into Gun-Free Zones?"
My question is "How many shootings have to happen before criminals finally learn not to bring firearms into Gun-Free Zones?"
it was, but whats different is the weapons....
School shootings in the United States - Wikipedia
scroll down to the "1910s" for comparison there were 19 school shootings in the 10 year period. Thats not much different than todays century except the death toll.
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Its not a wrong question to ask. The solution is what is wrong. Laws don't stop crimes, anyone who understands basic criminology knows this.
Laws are about defining the criminal act, and what the punishment is. Not to stop it. Read: More laws makes more criminals.
This is why I advocate adding security to the schools.
That's true, but the rate/number of events has certainly increased in the last 30 years or so. Something has caused these events to become more common. Many speculate on the variety of issues leading to this disturbing result.
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But we continuously come back to the same core issues when we discuss how to prevent these tragedies... It sure as heck has nothing to do with creating more laws that restrict hundreds of millions of Americans...
People who have received proper upbringing with morals, values, accurate definitions of right and wrong, and value for human life will always exhibit those traits (as least I believe so).
The problem is today, for the most part, children are reared without discipline, without boundaries of right and wrong, without an absolute set of values, without value for human life and without consequences for inappropriate or incorrect behavior.
Mix into that any chemical imbalances or any mental illness and you start to make a potent cocktail of potential tragedy...
A gun, a knife, a bomb, a vehicle, it really doesn't matter...
People who have received proper upbringing with morals, values, accurate definitions of right and wrong, and value for human life will always exhibit those traits (as least I believe so).
The problem is today, for the most part, children are reared without discipline, without boundaries of right and wrong, without an absolute set of values, without value for human life and without consequences for inappropriate or incorrect behavior.
Mix into that any chemical imbalances or any mental illness and you start to make a potent cocktail of potential tragedy...
A gun, a knife, a bomb, a vehicle, it really doesn't matter...
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Either we're agreeing or you missed the sarcasm. Although cruel and unusual punishment (under today's standards) may indeed have to do with saving a life if it's applied properly. The "if it saves just one life" excuse to trample the Constitution is what I tire of.
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A bit off topic...
There was a doctor in Connecticut, that's how he disposed of his wife, into a river, did the dirty deed from a bridge. They found a fragment of one fingernail in the river, that with all the circumstantial evidence was enough to convict him...
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Good forensic work!
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We're agreeing. I was just further commenting on what you were being sarcastic about.
Though I do not see how it can be used as an attack against the Eighth Amendment. Unless they try to argue against the death penalty, but using that kind of "logic" is rather... Well who wants to save a criminal's life?
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actually your right. Looking at the same wikipedia article 1910s do not even compare to the 2010s in school shootings.
however somebody told me a while ago that crime hasnt increased in history, but its really related to a percentage of the population. If thats true it means that violent crime is becoming more apparent versus more probable, per population. The US population has more than tripled in just the past 100 years alone than is has in its 240+ years of existence.
This magnifies the problem.
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Think its more about saving their paycheck, and the rest being just a byproduct. Kind of how politicians work.Our judicial system, apparently.
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Two things:
The overall moral decay of America...
The over drugging of our children with psychotropic drugs...
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With media, the ability to KNOW about it may magnify the appearance of a problem even if it's not really greater.
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It's all about raising kids, teaching them the difference between right and wrong and leading them to water and see if they drink.
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Huh, I guess I'm not the only one to at least THINK about this topic:
We just need to meet in the middle (eye roll)
We just need to meet in the middle (eye roll)
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