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If Egypt Falls

Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by A.I.P., Jan 28, 2011.

  1. A.I.P.

    A.I.P. UpperUS Active Member

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    If Egypt falls shipping insurance for the Suez Canal will increase driving the price of oil higher, precious metal prices will spike, shipping and production costs will spike, food, medicine, everything will increase in cost, again. More jobs will be lost. Crime will increase.
    If the Suez Canal falls into the hands of Islamo-Fascists there will be a war, perhaps a very large war involving Europe and Israel.
    Check your preps
     
  2. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I saw in an article the El Baradei had returned to Egypt and was under house arrest. He is the one that has been stirring up a lot of the protests from the Muslim community in Egypt. This is some scary stuff in that region. It is a tinderbox.
     
  3. rdb241

    rdb241 Puyallup Washington Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    It will be a domino effect. There are many Muslim nations in an uproar at the moment. According to the news....Yeman is in trouble also. If the Yemini government falls, well let's just say that Yeman is the breeding ground for terrorist. I can't remember his name but the news said there is a guy there that is more dangerous than Osama Bin Laden. If he is still alive? I agree...check your preps.......
     
  4. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    The guy in Yemen is Anwar al Awlaki. He is American born, but is in hiding in Yemen. This is the scumbag that had been taking to the guy that shot up all the people in the Ft Hood massacre. The Yemeni courts have convited him to a 10 year sentence in absentia, but I doubt they are looking for him very hard. If they were to capture and jail him it would probably start an all out war in that country. They are close to that now.
     
  5. toddt36

    toddt36 tacoma Member

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    Crazy stuff, been building tension for years since Egyptian government does a joke of a job providing even the barest of services. Lets just hope somehow it can calm down and not escalate any further since I don't want to see 4.20 gas again, which in my opinion was also a reason why the world economy came to a screaching halt. I think we were just starting to poke our head out of a recession, and here we go.
     
  6. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    It's getting scarrier folks. Just read this.

    The Jerusalem Post and the Associated Press are reporting that "[a]s protests continued into the night, Egyptian authorities were holding talks to establish a 'transitional government.'" Huge news if true. The same sources say that the headquarters of Mubarak's ruling party in Cairo are on fire.
     
  7. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    Yup. It lit the fuse. When it went that high, all those seat of the pants people that were living in those new houses they could just make the zero down payment ARM mortgages on couldn't afford it. Instead of stop driving and start taking the bus, they stopped paying the mortgage. Enough did this to start the disaster that we know today.

    Anyway, lets hope Egypt can hang on. I just heard this morning that the Army there is sympathetic to the people and would like the President out... and the Army is trying to control the riots now as the Police weren't effective. Since it's Friday, we have all weekend to watch and they have all weekend to riot.
     
  8. toddt36

    toddt36 tacoma Member

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    damn this is crazy stuff, hopefully Israel and our president (who needs to talk very soon publicly) along with other world leaders can negotiate something quick
     
  9. revjen45

    revjen45 Snohomish County Well-Known Member

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    Our Dear Leader is militarily incompetent and does not wish well for Irael. Now, back to bed and sleep tight.
     
  10. FarmerTed1971

    FarmerTed1971 Portland, Oregon, United States Well-Known Member

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    That's what advisors are for. He's a Constitutional lawyer. When the internet went down I was suddenly aware that something huge was happening over there. For the government to suppress communication... hmmm... we'll see what develops. Mubarak is trying to save his *** right now....
     
  11. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    :bluelaugh::bluelaugh: Well the only real way to look at this is you are about to be fugged again. Get used to it. However rather than stockpile of fuel that would run out or cost too much to buy I suggest you fill the liquer cabinet with the taste treats that will get you through any emergency with little bother.:laugh::laugh:

    Have a drink and relax.

    jj
     
  12. toddt36

    toddt36 tacoma Member

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    JJ you are a man after my heart! I was thinking last night hmm... if SHTF for real, other than a reliable firearm and plenty of ammo, shelter, food, what would be the thing above all else that would not only be great to have (at least for me) but could use to barter(if they don't shoot you and take it)... of course almost any kind of hard spirit! Man you could trade a half gallon of Monarch whiskey for a left nut and 1000 rounds of you favorite ammo! Haha its late I need to goto bed and stop thinkin of this nonsense.
     
  13. toddt36

    toddt36 tacoma Member

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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/29/us-egypt-usa-aid-idUSTRE70S0IN20110129
    Note this article from Reuters, look at all the money we have pumped into Egypt just to "keep them as an ally" and support job programs (note F-16 program) just a few things I found interesting. 1979 to current dollars at $2bil a year? $64,000,000,000 at very least. But last year under Obama we were at 3.5b for fiscal year 2010. Also note Egypt acquires several hundred million dollars of surplus weapons from "us" annually. WTF is going on here people? U tell me cuz I don't get it whatsoever... Hmm...
     
  14. Decker

    Decker My house Active Member

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    Sounds like it was just us supporting another 'banana republic' of sorts.

    -d
     
  15. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    That's way too sensible a reaction. I'm hoping to see people with "The end is near" signs.

    Besides, I need some entertainment with my drink.:laugh:
     
  16. A.I.P.

    A.I.P. UpperUS Active Member

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    I don't know if any of you are old enough to remember the 'Nassar Years' but he's the bloke that ran Egypt in the 50-60's, joined with the USSR against Isrial,,,and got his butt handed to him on a stick (even with Russians running the war for him).
    What he did do was sink a dozen derlict freighters in the Suez Canal and place large guns on the Egyptian side with orders to shoot to kill (which they did) and blocked all freight in and out of europe for many weeks. this led to a joint Brit-French operation to seize the Canal and which turned into a total victory for Egypt and the goverments of the respective countrys were replaced by Socialists (commies) as a result!
    That's the way I recall it, of course I was a wee child at the time.
    Europe is now the weak link. Todays politics are the reverse of what they were post WW2. Europe is no longer loaded with impoverished german ex-soldiers looking for a job in the Forgine Legion. It is now loaded with young unemployed men looking for 62 virgins.
    The majority of the Legion is now Muslim. Barring a certified miricle Europe will fall.
    In WW1 and WW2 the battles waged in N. Africa were never about the desert, or the Nile river, or even the Mediterainen. The wars were about those oil fields in Iraq and control of the Persian Gulf via the Suez Canal.
    Soon after North Africa falls, in less than a decade, europe will fall.
    With the canal gone Europe will be forced to buy oil from Russia.
    China buys oil from Russia
    China has just started to modernize itself. 1 Billion PPL must be kept 'employed' 'controled' by promises of a Utopia tempered by the brutal force of torture and murder.
    If the population of China discovers that europe will pay any price for oil capitalististic speculation will overwhelm the razor thin division between order and chaos that is at the center of a 'nation' of over a billion PPL.
    China will go to war before that happens.
     
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  17. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;Vt_tv7t79WY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt_tv7t79WY[/video]
     
  18. darkminstrel

    darkminstrel PDX Well-Known Member

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    I'm more worried about the Christio-Socialists.
     
  19. zeezee

    zeezee nowheresville Member

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    "Observation

    A few things I have observed about present events in Egypt.

    They have gun control.

    The Egyptian government has an internet kill switch.

    These are two things that the US Government has proposed getting.

    Egypt has (had?) a dictator.

    Does the US Government wish to make the president one?

    Government control of all the firearms and communication basically guarantees a dictatorship.

    We should oppose any attempt of the government to control either."

    I Am McThag!
     
  20. cybersomatix

    cybersomatix Portland, OR Member

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    The Egyptian situation is interesting... elements of the army and police are taking either side and seem to genuinely be concerned for the security of the Egyptian people over political/religious ideals. Another interesting point is that the Muslim Brotherhood isn't touching this with a ten foot pole... they know that they have a clear shot at winning a fair election and don't want to get their hands dirty in the event that one happens. For that matter, they seem to welcome the return of ElBarade (a non-member of MB, who would likely have their support in an election). What's even more interesting has been what Israel has and has not said about the situation. Last night, when it was reported that Egyptian troops were doing the police work in Sharm el Sheikh (in the Sinai), in clear violation of the Camp David accords, Israel said and did nothing... anyone who knows anythign about Israeli security can tell you that there's no way that the Israelis didn't know about troops entering Sharm el Sheik. this implies that the Israelis are at least tacitly taking a hands off approach to the Egyptian situation which bodes well for the maintenance of the peace between the two countries, even regardless of whether MB (which, contrary to common western belief, actually has a good deal of moderates among its ranks) takes power.

    In any case, what should have y'all more worried about prices at the gas pump is the protests in Saudi... because the largest opposition group to the house of Saud are the folks directly responsible for the ideology behind Usama bin Laden. If the Sauds fall... Al Qa'ida gets the oil money and becomes the world's 2nd most well funded military force after ours.
     
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