Ft Hood Killer linked to September 11 terrorists

[PlayboyPenguin]

There is a difference between the press writing a story with "spin" to fit an agenda as they did when they started out with the "PTSD" crap. Pure wishful thinking and speculation, that was.

But when they start quoting, even anonymous sources who won't go on the record, and when there are so many of them doing it, and when the stories they are writing don't fit their normal agenda, then I begin to pay attention.

The truth is coming out.

How does this story not fit their agenda. It falls right into the "be afraid in your own homes" and "guns are bad" scenarios. Could it be you just like what they are saying so you have lowered the burden of proof a bit in your own mind?

 

[Gunner3456]

How does this story not fit their agenda. It falls right into the "be afraid in your own homes" and "guns are bad" scenarios. Could it be you just like what they are saying so you have lowered the burden of proof a bit in your own mind?

By "their agenda" I mean the normal PC deference to Muslims - their inclusiveness and even denial of terrorism. They usually blame terrorism on the US as they tried to do initially by saying the shooter had been harassed or whatever. They usually try to make excuses for terrorists. (Knee-jerk PTSD speculation.)

Blaming this straight out on a Muslim terrorist who was "one of us" and a member of our military doesn't fit their agenda.

Talking about how the leaders knew about but ignored his true beliefs to be PC doesn't fit their normal agenda.

The truth is coming out and the news reports have changed drastically in the past 24 hours.

The reason I didn't instead quote Fox News or the WSJ today was because I thought libs would pay more attention if I linked to the MSM.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

By "their agenda" I mean the normal PC deference to Muslims - their inclusiveness and even denial of terrorism. They usually blame terrorism on the US as they tried to do initially by saying the shooter had been harassed or whatever. They usually try to make excuses for terrorists. (Knee-jerk PTSD speculation.)

Blaming this straight out on a Muslim terrorist who was "one of us" and a member of our military doesn't fit their agenda.

Talking about how the leaders knew about but ignored his true beliefs to be PC doesn't fit their normal agenda.

The truth is coming out and the news reports have changed drastically in the past 24 hours.

The reason I didn't instead quote Fox News or the WSJ today was because I thought libs would pay more attention if I linked to the MSM.

I think you need to do a little more soul searching and answer this question again later. I think right now you are being blinded by the fact that the story does fit an agenda...yours. So you are willing to overlook details like quotes being thrown around with no authors. It is easy to look for the truth when we do not agree with the story, it is much harder to do the same when we are happy with what is being said.

PS: You might want to pay more attention to the news. The whole "terrorists are everywhere. Your neighbor might even be one" thing has been on their playlist for years now.

 

[Gunner3456]

I think you need to do a little more soul searching and answer this question again later. I think right now you are being blinded by the fact that the story does fit an agenda...yours. So you are willing to overlook details like quotes being thrown around with no authors. It is easy to look for the truth when we do not agree with the story, it is much harder to do the same when we are happy with what is being said.

PS: You might want to pay more attention to the news. The whole "terrorists are everywhere. Your neighbor might even be one" thing has been on their playlist for years now.

It is entirely common for all news media to use anonymous quotes when officials don't want to be identified. I have no problem with that because otherwise we wouldn't get the news. When caught lying about an anonymous source, a news person is fired on the spot as happened a while back at the nyt.

I disagree that the MSM does anything but apologize for and make excuses for terrorism. "Most Muslims are peaceful" they say, yet I've never met one who would condemn the terrorists. Even CAIR comes across as phony and apologetic to me.

You may believe as you wish and read right through those articles. That's not my problem. I'll watch my own backside.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

It is entirely common for all news media to use anonymous quotes when officials don't want to be identified. I have no problem with that because otherwise we wouldn't get the news. When caught lying about an anonymous source, a news person is fired on the spot as happened a while back at the nyt.

I disagree that the MSM does anything but apologize for and make excuses for terrorism. "Most Muslims are peaceful" they say, yet I've never met one who would condemn the terrorists. Even CAIR comes across as phony and apologetic to me.

You may believe as you wish and read right through those articles. That's not my problem. I'll watch my own backside.

No they do not. Nobody "apologizes" for terrorists on the news. They might point out that the vast majority of muslims are peaceful people , but that is nowhere near the same thing. They might also point out why some countries resort to terrorism, but that is also not the same as "apologizing." Is is looking at all the factors. Your own agenda is showing a bit in that statement. This country is a country do in part to a whole lot of "terrorist" acts. They just happened to be justified.

As for the quotes, when quoting an unnamed source you tell where the source was and what role that had. This story does not even do that. It simply puts quotation marks around dramatic statements and cites no source what-so-ever.

 

[Gunner3456]

No they do not. Nobody "apologizes" for terrorists on the news.

Yes they do. They start out by saying they must have been harassed or have PTSD or whatever.

They might point out that the vast majority of muslims are peaceful people , but that is nowhere near the same thing. They might also point out why some countries resort to terrorism, but that is also not the same as "apologizing." Is is looking at all the factors.

There is NEVER an excuse for terrorism. By definition it targets innocents and non-combatants.

Your own agenda is showing a bit in that statement. This country is a country do in part to a whole lot of "terrorist" acts. They just happened to be justified.

NO! This country was not founded by terrorists. The Minutemen faced down the British in an all-out but up-front battle. They didn't go to Britain and bomb or shoot up innocents. Why so blind?

As for the quotes, when quoting an unnamed source you tell where the source was and what role that had. This story does not even do that. It simply puts quotation marks around dramatic statements and cites no source what-so-ever.

Could be, but there are so many sources. ABC, CBS, Fox, AP, UK - it's coming in from all over and is not to be ignored.

 

[smithmax]

Could be, but there are so many sources. ABC, CBS, Fox, AP, UK - it's coming in from all over and is not to be ignored.

Just because everyone is saying it doesn't mean it's true. The US and UK learned that the hard way with some of their "intelligence" about WMD's.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

Could be, but there are so many sources. ABC, CBS, Fox, AP, UK - it's coming in from all over and is not to be ignored.

No, they do not "apologize for terrorists. You are being flippant. Examining causes and factors is not apologizing. It is called being intellectually honest. When trying to deal with crime a person has to look at the factors that are creating the criminals and try to counter those factors or there will be an endless stream of criminals. That is just the reality of the situation.

And you still are not addressing the fact that these are not unnamed sources. These are simply made up quotes. Quotes you for some reason seem happy to accept without reference or proof.

 

[Oakley1wa]

purely speculation.

I bet if i go into portland and get into a bar fight with a homosexual male, it would be a hate crime.

But a muslim killing americans, it's just coincidence.

point

 

[jordanvraptor]

Playboy Penguin, I don't think you are being intellectually honest. I have an open mind but it seems to me you are being hypocritical in that you will accept one set of facts based on some evidence but not another based on different evidence. I gave out an opposite scenario that you simply waved offby saying it was totally irrelevant. Its not. It explains the hypocrisy of political correctness. You can't have it both ways. Either you use the scientific method and logic or you go by emotion and political will. Choose one or the other.

Anyways, I've said my peace. I don't expect you to change your mind and you are not going to change mind so I'm going to Switzerland and live in peace and harmony till the end of the world (please let it be 2012). Or maybe I'll just stick to the classifieds for local gun deals that I absolutely have to have. Peace (well not literally, as Dr. Horrible likes to say...)

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

Playboy Penguin, I don't think you are being intellectually honest. I have an open mind but it seems to me you are being hypocritical in that you will accept one set of facts based on some evidence but not another based on different evidence. I gave out an opposite scenario that you simply waved offby saying it was totally irrelevant. Its not. It explains the hypocrisy of political correctness. You can't have it both ways. Either you use the scientific method and logic or you go by emotion and political will. Choose one or the other.

Anyways, I've said my peace. I don't expect you to change your mind and you are not going to change mind so I'm going to Switzerland and live in peace and harmony till the end of the world (please let it be 2012). Or maybe I'll just stick to the classifieds for local gun deals that I absolutely have to have. Peace (well not literally, as Dr. Horrible likes to say...)

Care to share where I am accepting one set of evidence over another where equal reference is available?

I am looking at the facts of the situation while ignoring hyperbole and speculation. I am not setting my conclusion and seeking facts to support it. I am not realizing that the media distorts stories when I know they are wrong yet choosing to believe them when they say something I want to hear even though they offer no reference. I am ignoring my own personal prejudices against the muslim faith in favor of examining the facts. So far the one person anyone has been able to accredit the religious references to went on record as saying he did not actually remember the guy saying it.

 

[michaels]

so I'm going to Switzerland and live in peace and harmony

That's funny!

Switzerland is a (gasp) Socialist country!

They teach high school kids that a progressive tax for wealth redistribution is a good thing..... I saw the textbook. (text book was dated 2004)

Something about a society is more stable when there isn't a huge gap between the wealthy and the poor.

Read it myself.

This is not second hand knowledge friend.

Sorry to get off topic.....

 

[Chee-to]

That's funny!

Switzerland is a (gasp) Socialist country!

They teach high school kids that a progressive tax for wealth redistribution is a good thing..... I saw the textbook. (text book was dated 2004)

Something about a society is more stable when there isn't a huge gap between the wealthy and the poor.

Read it myself.

This is not second hand knowledge friend.

Sorry to get off topic.....

Nope ! Switzerland is a democracy, it does have some Socialist programs as does the U.S.....Here's a list of socialist countrys;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_countries

 

[eriknemily]

You can call me whatever name you want for being prejudice. But when I first heard this fellas name I assumed he was from the middle east, Muslim and probably just doing his jihady duty. I may yet be proven wrong but I look at it this way. What percentage of people living in the USA are Muslim? And out of those Muslims in the USA what percentage of them are in the Military (any branch)? What then are the odds of one of those Muslims coincidentallybeing a psycho that goes on a killing rampage because he didn't want to be a soldier like he had signed up for?

 

[cameronhu]

Nope ! Switzerland is a democracy, it does have some Socialist programs as does the U.S.....Here's alist of socialist countrys;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_countries

Theoretically, "socialism" refers to economic policy. "Democracy" refers to a form of government structure. A Democratic socialist state is perfectly legit- As is an authoritarian capitalist one...

 

[cameronhu]

You can call me whatever name you want for being prejudice. But when I first heard this fellas name I assumed he was from the middle east, Muslim and probably just doing his jihady duty. I may yet be proven wrong but I look at it this way. What percentage of people living in the USA are Muslim? And out of those Muslims in the USA what percentage of them are in the Military (any branch)? What then are the odds of one of those Muslims coincidentallybeing a psycho that goes on a killing rampage because he didn't want to be a soldier like he had signed up for?

2.5 million muslims in the US. (PEW)
3,386 self-proclaimed muslims on Active duty in the military.(Pentagon)
1 muslim shooter. (CNN)
So..
Thats .02% of Active duty muslims
and .00004% of all muslims who have gone nuts and started shooting folks

I think, statistically speaking, I'd worry more about being killed by a lightning bolt or by falling out of bed (1:2,000,000)

 

[eriknemily]

2.5 million muslims in the US. (PEW)
3,386 self-proclaimed muslims on Active duty in the military.(Pentagon)
1 muslim shooter. (CNN)
So..
Thats .02% of Active duty muslims
and .00004% of all muslims who have gone nuts and started shooting folks

I think, statistically speaking, I'd worry more about being killed by a lightning bolt or by falling out of bed (1:2,000,000)

I knew someone would come to my aid with the numbers (thanks camernhu). My point is that I don't believe that it's simply a coincidence that this man was Muslim. I believe that his faith is why this was done. Like I said in my first post I could be proven wrong. I'm sure this guy will get off with some lame excuse like he's mentally insane and can't be held accountable for what he did.
I'm also not worried about being killed by a muslim, but I did just hear some thunder

 

[ZeroRing]

2.5 million muslims in the US. (PEW)
3,386 self-proclaimed muslims on Active duty in the military.(Pentagon)
1 muslim shooter. (CNN)
So..
Thats .02% of Active duty muslims
and .00004% of all muslims who have gone nuts and started shooting folks

I think, statistically speaking, I'd worry more about being killed by a lightning bolt or by falling out of bed (1:2,000,000)

Just for S&G run the same numbers for any other "group" and see how the percentages compare. In other words, as low as that muslim percentage is is it a higher percentage than similar calculations done on other "groups" when comparing THEIR percentages??

 

[Chee-to]

Theoretically, "socialism" refers to economic policy. "Democracy" refers to a form of government structure. A Democratic socialist state is perfectly legit- As is an authoritarian capitalist one...

Potatoes... patatoes. The OP said "Switzerland is a (gasp) Socialist country!" It's not.........


socialism definition

so·cial·ism (sō′s̸həl iz′əm)

noun

1. any of various theories or systems of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution by society or the community rather than by private individuals, with all members of society or the community sharing in the work and the products
2.
1. a political movement for establishing such a system
2. the doctrines, methods, etc. of the Socialist parties
3. the stage of society, in Marxist doctrine, coming between the capitalist stage and the communist stage, in which private ownership of the means of production and distribution has been eliminated

"Gasp", some of that sure sounds familiar...........

 

[Weathermaker]

Purely speculation.

I bet if I go into portland and get into a bar fight with a homosexual male, it would be a hate crime.

But a Muslim killing Americans, it's just coincidence.

Good post.