Ft Hood Killer linked to September 11 terrorists

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Gunner3456,

Do you notice anything funny about all those "quotes" in the story you linked? To who are they accredited?

C'mon people, you guys are the first ones to point out how the media lies and creates news but as soon as they make grandiose statements in a misleading manner regarding a story like this you jump all over it simply because it is what you want to hear? Where is your higher level of scrutiny now?

hey playboy, out of curiosity, what news source do you use/trust for your info? please share so we can all become enlightened.

 

[cameronhu]

I guess if a white Christian walked into a Souk shouted "God is great" ("Allahu Akbar!") and murdered 13 unarmed Muslims and wounded 29, you wouldn't consider it a hate crime ?

Did this guy walk into a church? or an Army base? -- That's the point.

I remember hearing people say that 9/11 was an attack on Christianity. Bollocks. If that were the case, the planes would have targeted Vatican City.

This wasn't a hate crime. This wasn't the act of a terrorist. This was either the act of a nut-job w/ a perceived ax to grind against our foreign policy who finally got pushed over the edge (remember the term "going postal"?) or the work of a traitor.

The fact that he was a Muslim and supposedly yelled out "Allahu Akbar!" is superfluous.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

They better learn who they stand with, PC will get you and your family killed. It has allready killed many thousands of Americans.

"Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America’s Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

He also told colleagues at America’s top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to **** who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.

Colleagues had expected a discussion on a medical issue but were instead given an extremist interpretation of the Koran, which Hasan appeared to believe.
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One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal complaints."

What are the sources of that information?

Seems like there's people here that just don't see it that way. More respect given to the gunman than the victims.....

I have not seen anyone do this. In fact iI see everyone calling this guy things like "coward", "lowlife", "scum", etc.

I do see people saying not to spread baseless innuendo based on hatred.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

hey playboy, out of curiosity, what news source do you use/trust for your info? please share so we can all become enlightened.

I definitely start by paying more attention to news sources that do not make unaccredited statements. I trust organizations that cite their sources and back up their story. That way I can verify the info myself.

 

[Just Jim]

"What are the sources of that information?"

I thought a Playboy would have all the time in the world to be informed

I got the source but it doesn't matter, libs allways try to kill the messenger. Even when it's true.

jj

Find out if you have a sense of humor

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[Just Jim]

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[Just Jim]

"Milquetoast media is now trying to say he was a "lone crazy"...
Hello? He was a psychiatrist?How does a crazy person get thru medical school in psychiatry? And on the govt's dollar to boot."

just a little to think about

jj

 

[Chee-to]

Did this guy walk into a church? or an Army base? -- That's the point.

I remember hearing people say that 9/11 was an attack on Christianity. Bollocks. If that were the case, the planes would have targeted Vatican City.

This wasn't a hate crime. This wasn't the act of a terrorist. This was either the act of a nut-job w/ a perceived ax to grind against our foreign policy who finally got pushed over the edge (remember the term "going postal"?) or the work of a traitor.

The fact that he was a Muslim and supposedly yelled out "Allahu Akbar!" is superfluous.

First place a "Souk" is an open air market, not a church. Now answer the question, "I guess if a white Christian walked into a "market place" shouted "God is great" ("Allahu Akbar!") and murdered 13 unarmed Muslims and wounded 29, you wouldn't consider it a hate crime ?"

Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan sent repeated e-mails over the last year to a Muslim cleric known for extremist views, but federal terrorism investigators deemed the contact harmless and took no action.


"He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people," al-Awlaki's blog said.

Hasan, who is recovering from gunshot wounds in a San Antonio military hospital, is believed to have met al-Awlaki as early as 2001, when the cleric led a large northern Virginia mosque where Hasan sometimes worshipped. At the time, the U.S.-born imam styled himself as a moderate who condemned the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said U.S. intelligence agencies intercepted between 10 and 20 e-mails from Hasan to al-Awlaki beginning in late 2008. He said al-Awlaki – living in Yemen since 2002 – responded to Hasan at least twice.

The responses seemed "innocent," Hoekstra told The Washington Post. But "for me, the number of times that this guy tried to reach out to the imam was significant."

Hoekstra wrote FBI Director Robert Mueller and high-ranking government officials over the weekend to complain that "serious issues exist with respect to the performance of U.S. intelligence agencies in connection with what appears to have been a terrorism-related attack at Fort Hood."

The FBI acknowledged late Monday that Hasan came to the attention of one of its Joint Terrorism Task Forces in December as it pursued an unrelated investigation.

Agents who reviewed communications between Hasan and the unidentified subject of that investigation decided that they were "consistent with research being conducted by Maj. Hasan in his position as a psychiatrist" at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., an FBI statement said.

"Because the content of the communications was explainable by his research and nothing else derogatory was found, the JTTF concluded that Major Hasan was not involved in terrorist activities or terrorist planning," the FBI said. "Other communications of which the FBI was aware were similar to the ones reviewed by the JTTF."

An Internet posting in May, by someone using the name Nidal Hasan, seemed to equate a suicide bomber with a U.S. soldier who throws himself on a grenade to save comrades. The FBI would not elaborate on what it meant by "other communications."

"To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate," the posting said. "It's more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause."

Under federal law, Hasan's purchase of the handgun used in last week's attack triggered a criminal background check. But counterterrorism officials were not alerted to the purchase – made in August, shortly after Hasan moved to Texas – because federal law bars such information-sharing, investigators said.

A motive has yet to be determined for the Fort Hood shootings, which left 13 people dead and 29 wounded. But the FBI said, "The investigation to date indicates that the alleged gunman acted alone and was not part of a broader terrorist plot."

The FBI director ordered a review of whether investigators overlooked signs that Hasan, 39, might be a threat. Members of Congress were briefed on the investigation late Monday.

Praising al-Qaeda

Al-Awlaki, who is in his late 30s, was born in New Mexico to Yemeni parents. He served at mosques in Denver and San Diego before going to Dar Al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Va., one of the nation's largest, where the Virginia-born Hasan sometimes worshipped.

Al-Awlaki – whose name is sometimes spelled al-Aulaqi in English – told The New York Times shortly after the 9/11 attacks that Muslim leaders in the U.S. had sometimes gone too far with their rhetoric.

"In the past we were oblivious," he was quoted as saying. "We didn't really care much because we never expected things to happen. Now I think things are different.

"There were some statements that were inflammatory, and were considered just talk, but now we realize that talk can be taken seriously and acted upon in a violent, radical way."

In spring 2002, al-Awlaki moved to his parents' Middle Eastern homeland, where he began praising al-Qaeda online.

He also blamed Israelis for the U.S. terror attacks and accused the FBI of fabricating evidence to implicate Muslims.

Detained, released

U.S. authorities ultimately concluded that three of the 9/11 hijackers had spent time at al-Awlaki's mosques. Yemeni authorities detained al-Awlaki in mid-2006 at the request of the U.S. government but released him in late 2007.

At the Falls Church mosque Monday, a spokesman condemned the Fort Hood massacre and al-Awlaki's blog comments.

"Mr. al-Awlaki has clearly set himself apart from this community," said Johari Abdul-Malik, who is an imam and outreach director.

He said al-Awlaki left the mosque because he felt the role of an American imam after 9/11 included too many extra duties, including dealing with the media. Al-Awlaki wanted to focus on teaching, Abdul-Malik said.

"To go from that individual we knew to one who is projecting these words from Yemen is a shock," Abdul-Malik said. "I don't think we read him wrong. I think something happened."

He said that to his staff's knowledge, Hasan worshipped at Dar Al-Hijrah only occasionally, when visiting relatives nearby, and was not close with al-Awlaki. After Hasan's mother died in 2001, Abdul-Malik said, the military psychiatrist "seemed more withdrawn, quiet, and to some staff members, disoriented."

Investigation begins

Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Joe Lieberman suggested that the attack on Fort Hood was part of a pattern of anti-military activity in the U.S.

Three men in North Carolina were accused in a September indictment of targeting the Marine Corps base at Quantico, Va. Five New Jersey men were convicted in December of conspiring to attack the Army's Fort Dix, in New Jersey. And in June, a recent Muslim convert was suspected of firing on two Army recruiters at a Little Rock, Ark., shopping mall, killing one and wounding the other.

Lieberman, a Connecticut independent, pointed to a bipartisan report the committee issued last year on the "homegrown terrorist threat."

It concluded, he noted, that "no longer is the threat just from abroad, as was the case with the attacks of September 11, 2001; the threat is now increasingly from within, from homegrown terrorists who are inspired by violent Islamist ideology to plan and execute attacks where they live."

The Fort Hood rampage "appears to be a further example of that threat," Lieberman said in a news release.

He said his committee would hold a public hearing next week to begin investigating Hasan's motives, "whether the government missed warning signs that should have led to expulsion, and what lessons we can learn to prevent such future attacks.

"As this investigation continues, we would do no favor to the thousands of Muslim Americans who are serving our military with honor and the millions of patriotic and law-abiding Muslim Americans by ignoring real evidence that an individual Muslim American soldier may have become a violent Islamist extremist."

Staff writers Tom Benning, Todd J. Gillman and Dave Michaels contributed to this report.

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Now This one of many reports that "indicate" terrorist connections, from a very liberal news source...... An investigation is under way, we'll see which of our opinions plays out

Please post any up to date reports that this absolutely wasn't a hate crime or terrorist act and back up your assumption that;

This wasn't the act of a terrorist. This was either the act of a nut-job w/ a perceived ax to grind against our foreign policy who finally got pushed over the edge (remember the term "going postal"?) or the work of a traitor.

The fact that he was a Muslim and supposedly yelled out "Allahu Akbar!" is superfluous.

Superfluous my butt !!

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

I just saw a reporter on CNN admit that reports of his shouting muslim sentiments before shooting are "unsubstantiated" and that no single witness they have spoken to actually heard this.

Hello? He was a psychiatrist?How does a crazy person get thru medical school in psychiatry? And on the govt's dollar to boot."

You have not had a lot of experience with metal health professionals have you?

 

[Chee-to]

What are the sources of that information?

I have not seen anyone do this. In fact iI see everyone calling this guy things like "coward", "lowlife", "scum", etc.

I do see people saying not to spread baseless innuendo based on hatred.

Baseless innuendo based on hatred, Huh. Every lib broadcast news and cable stations were reporting on his "terrorist" connections tonight. Please explain why this was not a premeditated act of terror precipitated by a disgruntled Muslim? Everything has to do with hate with you guys, it seems to dominate a big part of how you perceive opinions that don't fit into your agenda. Any negative narrative on blacks, muslims, gays, illegal immigrants you perceive as hate, but it's OK to spout negatives about whites, Christians, pro lifers, Conservatives. Tell me, what makes Timothy McVey a terrorist not just a "nutball" and not this guy ?

Sucks to be stereotyped, huh.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

Baseless innuendo based on hatred, Huh. Every lib broadcast news and cable stations were reporting on his "terrorist" connections tonight. Please explain why this was not a premeditated act of terror precipitated by a disgruntled Muslim?

Simple...because there is no evidence what-so-ever that this is the case. A singe report that he tried to make contact with a single suspected terrorist does not mean that was his motivation. In fact anyone with true investigative training will tell you that everything points in the exact opposite way. Everything about this story reads like a lone man with a grudge and an unstable mentality. There is no plot or point.

In fact, if you wanted to hypothesize as to what would be the end goal of putting a person in such a position and have them perform such an act there is almost no worthwhile pay off...except maybe to make people start throwing stones and whip people into a fervor where they start witch hunts against peace loving muslim members of the military and citizens. Thereby driving a wedge between the US and it's own muslim residents. So in other words, the only logical goal would be to make small minded people do the very things some people on this board are doing. If people just went.."wow, that guy was a scumbag and a nutjob" they have no pay-off...but if people start saying "we need to start suspecting people because they are muslim and we need to start watching other muslim soldiers" they have won a huge victory.

 

[Chee-to]

I just saw a reporter on CNN admit that reports of his shouting muslim sentiments before shooting are "unsubstantiated" and that no single witness they have spoken to actually heard this.

You have not had a lot of experience with metal health professionals have you?

http://www.mysanantonio.com/military/69629042.html


First he heard it then he didn't...The military catching heat for not nipping this in the bud. Military crede; Deny everything, point fingers in all directions, cause mass confusion.........It's all about damage control...(just an opinion, not hate)

You sure can trust CNN for the truth ...

One of the wounded, Pfc. Joseph Foster, told CNN that he was doing paperwork for his deployment in January to Afghanistan when said he heard a cry and then nearby gunfire.

“I was sitting in about the second row back when the assailant stood up and yelled ‘Allahu akbar' in Arabic and he opened fire,” Foster told CNN's “American Morning”

You really didn't hear that, did you soldier !

In an interview that aired Monday, Foster, who refused to discuss the incident in a news conference Sunday, said he couldn't be certain the shooter said those exact words, explaining that “with that much adrenaline, you tend to forget things.”

Americans across the country have reacted in anger, and media reports worldwide have drawn a tighter focus on Hasan's opposition to the war in Iraq and ties to a mosque used by two 9-11 hijackers.

One conservative Web site, Pajamas Media, ran a column Monday in which the writer, Ron Radosh, denounced efforts by the Army to play down religion as a factor in the attack. “Any objective observer would think it a tragedy if the Army swept the motivations of someone like Hasan under the rug,” Radosh wrote.

But both Casey and Fort Hood's commander continued to express concerns that people were rushing to judgment. Casey worried in a Sunday television appearance of a backlash against Muslim soldiers, while Cone dismissed the notion that Hasan was waging a holy war on his fellow soldiers.

“I would say this in my view did not have to do with religion,” Cone said in a “town hall” televised Monday night on a Killeen-area PBS affiliate.

 

[Chee-to]

Simple...because there is no evidence what-so-ever that this is the case. A singe report that he tried to make contact with a single suspected terrorist does not mean that was his motivation. In fact anyone with true investigative training will tell you that everything points in the exact opposite way. Everything about this story reads like a lone man with a grudge and an unstable mentality. There is no plot or point.

In fact, if you wanted to hypothesize as to what would be the end goal of putting a person in such a position and have them perform such an act there is almost no worthwhile pay off...except maybe to make people start throwing stones and whip people into a fervor where they start witch hunts against peace loving muslim members of the military and citizens. Thereby driving a wedge between the US and it's own muslim residents. So in other words, the only logical goal would be to make small minded people do the very things some people on this board are doing. If people just went.."wow, that guy was a scumbag and a nutjob" they have no pay-off...but if people start saying "we need to start suspecting people because they are muslim and we need to start watching other muslim soldiers" they have won a huge victory.

I do see your point, but and that's a big "but", both theories are hypothetical..........Now suppose this guy is proven to be a terrorist, is it your opinion it should covered up to prevent any backlash, or should the truth be told ?

reads like a lone man with a grudge and an unstable mentality.

Now that describes every suicide bomber out there !

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

Now that describes every suicide bomber out there !

Not at all...suicide bombers are driven by zealotry. That is a completely different thing.

 

[Gunner3456]

The DC Sniper, John Allen Muhammad, is scheduled for execution tonight. The Supreme Court has refused to hear his appeal.

He killed 10 innocent people with an AR-15 from inside the trunk of his car. He is suspected of killing even more people in the SW of the US.

Let's see. This bad boy was a Baptist minister, right? No? OK, he was a devout Christian of some denomination, right?

Oops. His name is Muhammad. Never mind...

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June 1, 2009

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — A 23-year-old man upset about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan opened fire from his truck at two soldiers standing outside a military recruiting station here on Monday morning, killing one private and wounding another, the police said.

Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, 23, was escorted from the Little Rock police headquarters in Arkansas on Monday. Muhammad is the suspect in the killing of a soldier in a targeted attack on a military recruiting center, police said.

The gunman, identified by the police as Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad of Little Rock, fled the scene and was arrested minutes later a short distance from the recruiting station, in a bustling suburban shopping center.

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Nah, we don't have a problem with lone Muslim mass murderers in this country.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

Wow. Allow your racism to show through much? Maybe we should just round up every person with a Muslim name and put them in concentration camps. By the way, just how many murderers in the past ten years had Christian names and attended baptist churches? Maybe we need to start looking at them too.

PS: I intintionally did not quote your statement. I am hoping you will edit or delete it and I did not want to still have it on the forum if you did.

 

[Just Jim]

I just saw a reporter on CNN admit that reports of his shouting muslim sentiments before shooting are "unsubstantiated" and that no single witness they have spoken to actually heard this.

You have not had a lot of experience with metal health professionals have you?

No, I just see the results of their work.

jj

 

[Just Jim]

Hey playboy, after you defend this guy I would expect you to defend the 911 killers too. PC will get you killed, how long befor a terrorist come in unquestioned with a nuke? And I bet you defend him too.

jj

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

No, I just see the results of their work.

jj

Let's just say the profession has way more than it's share of members with mental health issues.

when we used to do round tables here in Portland with the other agencies there were actually some of the old school hippie therapists that would start rocking back and forth in their chair humming or chanting when you challenged their ideas in any way.

 

[Just Jim]

"Wow. Allow your racism to show through much?

When they lose an arguement they result to calling people racisct. That is a scoundrels tactic. You better be able to back that up.

jj