Your history coming back to bite you...

[WillametteWill]

Very interesting items introduced in the trial of the Dallas police officer, Amber Guyger. (I know there is another thread on the general topic, keeping this specific to how it relates to DGU). Many of us have preached caution in posts, texts, social media, gun markings on this subject. Many other have said it is a non issue. Here are some items from the recently convicted of MURDER off duty officer's trial:

Prosecutors also showed images of Pinterest posts about guns and violence that Guyger had saved and commented on. One post showed a photo of a "Minion" character from the "Despicable Me" movies with the caption: "People are so ungrateful. No one ever thanks me for having the patience not to kill them."

"I wear all black to remind you not to mess with me because I'm already dressed for your funeral."

From the article: Prosecutors will use Guyger's texts, her social media posts and her disciplinary record as a police officer to argue for a harsher sentence, though they haven't specified what length of prison term they will request.

The article is a little vague but it appears that these items were introduced after the conviction, related to sentencing, which is when this type of information is commonly introduced.

The slant the prosecution appears to have had all along was in this vain. Stunning (or not I guess) how 12 people can be convinced that one day, after 30 years of not shooting anyone, a person decides to go into an apartment and just shoot, murder a guy, and racism could be to blame. Yet part of the prosecutor's theory was that she was distracted (after a 14 hour shift), which would call for manslaughter, not murder. They just threw stuff up to the jury and saw what would stick.

Takeaways for me:

• Training (or lack there of), social media posts, and other negative history come into play mostly when things go wrong
• Things go bad when several "little" things line up at the wrong time (distracted, fatigued, then an unusual event occurs...i.e. going into the wrong apartment)
• Assessing a threat is vital, many get hung up on castle doctrine and stand you ground but ultimately we have to justify the need to use deadly force. Since she was just entering the apartment was retreat a likely option? Distance? Weapon (or in this case, lack there of)? I hear frequently (unfortunately), "They are in my house, I'm going to shoot them." When a drunk neighbor or friend of one of your kids is in your house and not a threat, guess what, you can share the cell next to Ms. Guyger's.

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[Camelfilter]

Perhaps.

I occasionally used General James Mattis (ret) Quote, or a variation thereof:

"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet." / "...in the room", depending on circumstance.

I've recently changed that to simply "Be polite, be professional." & a soft stare w/a smile.

Hopefully folks who've overheard me saying the first quote wouldn't be subpoenaed if I were ever to do something so grandiosely criminally negligent as this woman did.

Or, alternatively, I'll simply not do anything as grandiosely criminally negligent.

 

[Member 34319]

I think Joe needs to make a bleachbit button for here. Lol. One button hit and it's as if nothing was here.

Not saying google or others have cached everything somewhere anyways, but at least they couldn't go to the direct site and find anything.

 

[Flatfish]

If you end up as a public figure, social media has more downside than up imo.

A friend is in the sports world. Most pro level athletes have a social media person doing whatever they need to meet obligations to team/sponsors. A pretty big chunk of them do not have public accounts/have an alias they work under on social media.

The above examples, even if they were jokes, can and will be used against said person if anything terrible ever happens.

 

[PepperoniPizza]

Yea, just remembers nothing is private. You can guarantee any prosecutor worth their salt will be looking through the servers of all social media you accessed including northwest firearms. I've been fairly taken aback by how loose tongues are on these forums. Some fairly...interesting things said that could easily be used against an individual if a violent crime was committed to showing intent to do so. Why say inflammatory things where anyone can see and use them against you?

 

[PepperoniPizza]

I think Joe needs to make a bleachbit button for here. Lol. One button hit and it's as if nothing was here.

Not saying google or others have cached everything somewhere anyways, but at least they couldn't go to the direct site and find anything.

Unfortunately, everything you've ever said on this site is still in the servers (or archived on a separate server), and accessible to law enforcement with the correct warrant. And it's not necessary for the owner of the site to archive the information, anyone can do it.

 

[cigars]

Yea, just remembers nothing is private. You can guarantee any prosecutor worth their salt will be looking through the servers of all social media you accessed including northwest firearms. I've been fairly taken aback by how loose tongues are on these forums. Some fairly...interesting things said that could easily be used against an individual if a violent crime was committed to showing intent to do so. Why say inflammatory things where anyone can see and use them against you?

Don't worry, everybody has an account slot in the big govt data centers. Everything that you text, blog, call, social media post, etc gets hoovered up and compiled under your account. There is so much data that it can only be managed by higher level AI, which will eventually come to judge us.

 

[EHJ]

Don't worry, everybody has an account slot in the big govt data centers. Everything that you text, blog, call, social media post, etc gets hoovered up and compiled under your account. There is so much data that it can only be managed by higher level AI, which will eventually come to judge us.

Palantir is no joke.

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[PepperoniPizza]

Very interesting items introduced in the trial of the Dallas police officer, Amber Guyger. (I know there is another thread on the general topic, keeping this specific to how it relates to DGU). Many of us have preached caution in posts, texts, social media, gun markings on this subject. Many other have said it is a non issue. Here are some items from the recently convicted of MURDER off duty officer's trial:

Prosecutors also showed images of Pinterest posts about guns and violence that Guyger had saved and commented on. One post showed a photo of a "Minion" character from the "Despicable Me" movies with the caption: "People are so ungrateful. No one ever thanks me for having the patience not to kill them."

"I wear all black to remind you not to mess with me because I'm already dressed for your funeral."

From the article: Prosecutors will use Guyger's texts, her social media posts and her disciplinary record as a police officer to argue for a harsher sentence, though they haven't specified what length of prison term they will request.

The article is a little vague but it appears that these items were introduced after the conviction, related to sentencing, which is when this type of information is commonly introduced.

The slant the prosecution appears to have had all along was in this vain. Stunning (or not I guess) how 12 people can be convinced that one day, after 30 years of not shooting anyone, a person decides to go into an apartment and just shoot, murder a guy, and racism could be to blame. Yet part of the prosecutor's theory was that she was distracted (after a 14 hour shift), which would call for manslaughter, not murder. They just threw stuff up to the jury and saw what would stick.

Takeaways for me:

• Training (or lack there of), social media posts, and other negative history come into play mostly when things go wrong
• Things go bad when several "little" things line up at the wrong time (distracted, fatigued, then an unusual event occurs...i.e. going into the wrong apartment)
• Assessing a threat is vital, many get hung up on castle doctrine and stand you ground but ultimately we have to justify the need to use deadly force. Since she was just entering the apartment was retreat a likely option? Distance? Weapon (or in this case, lack there of)? I hear frequently (unfortunately), "They are in my house, I'm going to shoot them." When a drunk neighbor or friend of one of your kids is in your house and not a threat, guess what, you can share the cell next to Ms. Guyger's.

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Pretty sure the fact that the bullet traveled through in such a way that indicated he was either cowering or already in a down/sitting/laying position, going against her claim that he was coming at her is what did her in. She's a liar and a murderer. I hope she gets the max. You don't get to kill a man in his own home, be a cop, and claim some bullbubblegum self-defense. She should have retreated if anything.

 

[Member 34319]

Unfortunately, everything you've ever said on this site is still in the servers (or archived on a separate server), and accessible to law enforcement with the correct warrant. And it's not necessary for the owner of the site to archive the information, anyone can do it.

Hey if Hilary can make stuff disappear, I should too!

 

[Kruel J]

Yea, just remembers nothing is private. You can guarantee any prosecutor worth their salt will be looking through the servers of all social media you accessed including northwest firearms. I've been fairly taken aback by how loose tongues are on these forums. Some fairly...interesting things said that could easily be used against an individual if a violent crime was committed to showing intent to do so. Why say inflammatory things where anyone can see and use them against you?

Shoot, I'd be more worried about my late night searches for midget porn than my posts here at NWFA.

 

[Stomper]

Shoot, I'd be more worried about my late night searches for midget porn than my posts here at NWFA.

Here he is on his front porch calling off being SWATTED.....

 

[SavageGerbil]

Well, know yourself, know your history. The prosecution is NOT allowed to bring in character evidence about you.....unless you break that seal.
They can bring the facts, and you can stand and fight on those. But the minute you bring forward an attempt to show what good character you have, the prosecution is now allowed to rebut your claims. Until that point, your fondness for height focused adult entertainment, and your appreciation of "Smile and wait for flash" doormats are inadmissible.

If you've bought stacks of the ill advised signs, bumper stickers, and whatnot from the local sporting goods store, you might be best to leave your favorite character witness off the stand.

 

[WillametteWill]

The prosecution is NOT allowed to bring in character evidence about you.....unless you break that seal.

Generally true. Until the conviction then it all comes flooding in. There are limited situations where it can come in during the main trial if it can be used to show a specific pattern (it was used this way during the Phil Spector trial where it could be shown the behavior evident during the killing happened to others he had "dated").

Update to sentencing, 10 years.

 

[gunnoob75]

They're already stringing you up. Why hide who you are?

 

[WillametteWill]

Hey if Hilary can make stuff disappear, I should too!

Perhaps, but ethically I refuse to have the same body count to accomplish that

 

[SCARed]

Ultimately it's all "Damned if you do, damned if you don't. "

 

[PepperoniPizza]

Ultimately it's all "Damned if you do, damned if you don't. "

Or, you know, don't say stupid stuff that makes one sound like you have violent anti-government sentiments, and the desire to commit terrorism. Seems pretty straight forward.

 

[SCARed]

Or, you know, don't say stupid stuff that makes one sound like you have violent anti-government sentiments, and the desire to commit terrorism. Seems pretty straight forward.

If only it were that easy. Unfortunately things that are OK to say today may be taboo 5-10yrs from now. The mere fact that you/we like guns and talk about it on this forum, could come back to be used against you years down the road depending on the political winds and and "hot-button topics of the year" shifts.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

It does pay to be careful in what you say or post.
Once it is uttered or posted...it can not be recalled ...only at times regretted.

Think before you speak or post...And remember the Backspace button is your friend....
Andy