Why we DO need weapons of war...

[Andy54Hawken]

They kept threatening to punch each other. "Dude, I don't care if your do it, just don't threaten or do it here".

Yikes....
With behavior like that...I usually ask :
And...just how does that fall under our school rules...?
Or...
Well now...how is that helping you get what you want...?
Or...
Wait , let me get your parent's phone number...so you can tell 'em what you are about to do....
Andy

 

[solv3nt]

Yikes....
With behavior like that...I usually ask :
And...just how does that fall under our school rules...?
Or...
Well now...how is that helping you get what you want...?
Or...
Wait , let me get your parent's phone number...so you can tell 'em what you are about to do....
Andy

Meh, we were always punching each other in the shoulder at that age.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Meh, we were always punching each other in the shoulder at that age.

Yep....and truth be told...I often "overlook" things like that at times....
Since it could just be what the kid needs to have happen.....
Andy

 

[solv3nt]

Yep....and truth be told...I often "overlook" things like that at times....
Since it could just what the kid needs to have happen.....
Andy

It definitely wasn't anger, they were just all over the place. They're friends otherwise. It was also the first after school robotics, when it had previously been balls early before school.

 

[3MTA3]

"Why does anybody need a weapon of war?"
"Ask a Ukrainian."
-Massad Ayoob

 

[monkeybutler]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why they cannot adequately protect their home/family with a 12 gauge pump under any realistic, reasonably foreseeable defensive situation.

 

[CamoDeafie]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why they cannot adequately protect their home/family with a 12 gauge pump under any realistic, reasonably foreseeable defensive situation.

How bout.. why can't police adequately "protect and serve" warrants with just a 12ga pump instead of AR carbines and flashbangs and tear gas and MP5s...?

 

[CamoDeafie]

My petite 115lb wife can't handle a 12ga recoil, but she can handle my 5.56 easily.

 

[monkeybutler]

How bout.. why can't police adequately "protect and serve" warrants with just a 12ga pump instead of AR carbines and flashbangs and tear gas and MP5s...?

That's not the question, but it's fine if you don't want to answer it as asked.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Some people and kids can't handle a 12ga's weight and recoil but they're better at handling a 5.56 AR.

 

[Xaevian]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why they cannot adequately protect their home/family with a 12 gauge pump under any realistic, reasonably foreseeable defensive situation.

Maybe they don't want to.

You could insert any type of weapon in place of "12 gauge pump" in your statement. That's what makes your statement so ridiculous.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why they cannot adequately protect their home/family with a MP5, or a PS90, or a M249, or or or...

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why they cannot adequately protect their home/family with a 12 gauge pump under any realistic, reasonably foreseeable defensive situation.

Home defense is extremely situational.
As in what works well for someone in one situation...may not work so well for someone else in a different situation.

At one time my home defense gun was a Colt 1860 Army replica.
It was the largest bore handgun that I owned at that time...I shot well with it...I also understood it and my limitations with it.
Would I suggest that as a home defense gun for someone...not hardly.
I am saying that for me , a fella with lots of experience with cap and ball revolvers , it made sense at that time and situation.

A 12 gauge pump action shotgun makes for a fine home defense gun....for many different situations.
Which is one reason why it is a popular and good choice.

However....
it ain't the only choice.
A light weight carbine may work just as well...or a pistol caliber carbine....or a handgun ....

Again...your situation as in what works for you , not what works for somebody else...
Should play a large role in what you decide to use to defend your life , home and family.
Andy

 

[3MTA3]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why they cannot adequately protect their home/family with a 12 gauge pump under any realistic, reasonably foreseeable defensive situation.

Slugs can cause too much unintended destruction and shot can be too indiscriminate in dense to moderately dense suburban settings, for a starter. Also, the recoil is not very well conducive to a quick follow up shot.

I'm OK with a pistol, but I'm far better with a rifle, especially against multiple assailants. When my life is on the line I go with what works best for me.

I answered your question, now tell us all about why you get to decide what is and isn't adequate/acceptable for self or home defense?

 

[solv3nt]

I just am saying that for me , a fella with lots of experience with cap and ball revolvers

He said ball.

 

[msgriff]

Aaaand, Joe Biden has entered the chat.

 

[monkeybutler]

I answered your question, now tell us all about why you get to decide what is and isn't adequate/acceptable for self or home defense?

I did not make the claim that I am "the decider" of that. I just asked for an explanation.

 

[solv3nt]

Aaaand, Joe Biden has entered the chat.

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No, it should be limited to what they had at the time of the Constitution, @Andy54Hawken with his war guns and balls have entered the room.

Wait a minute...

 

[monkeybutler]

You could insert any type of weapon in place of "12 gauge pump" in your statement. That's what makes your statement so ridiculous.

You could, but that would materially change the statement.

Ridiculous? Not remotely.

 

[CamoDeafie]

You could, but that would materially change the statement.

Ridiculous? Not remotely.

How?

 

[monkeybutler]