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Regarding the multiple posts about the infamous LA shootout, I doubt the .357 mag or 40 S&W would have made any difference what-so-ever. Furthermore while the acquisitioned AR-15s allegedly saved the day I would have preferred (and I believe savvy cops would have too) a 375 H&H or similar capable round. But that is a far cry from a 9mm over 40 S&W topic.
At least one SWAT officer fired his M16 rifle below the cars and wounded Mătăsăreanu in his unprotected lower legs; he was soon unable to continue and desperately put his hands up twice to show surrender. The police radioed for an ambulance, but Mătăsăreanu, cursing, died before the ambulance reached the scene almost seventy minutes later. Later reports showed that Mătăsăreanu was shot 29 times in the shins and feet and died from trauma due to loss of blood
At 9:51 Phillips, who had been using the getaway vehicle as cover, split from Mătăsăreanu, turned east on Archwood Street, took cover behind a parked truck, and continued to fire at the police with his AKM. He reloaded the assault rifle with a 75-round drum magazine, but the gun suffered a malfunction. He promptly discarded the AKM rather than removing the shell casing that had caused the "stovepipe" malfunction as his wrist was injured from a gunshot that had penetrated his wrist bone, after it deflected off the gun's casing and through his thumb. He drew a Beretta 92FS pistol and continued firing at police. He was then shot in the right hand again, briefly dropped the pistol, retrieved it, and placed the muzzle of his pistol under his chin and shot himself; a round from a police officer's AR-15 simultaneously severed his spine.
I cannot speculate if the .40 would have been for the better. But we know the 9mm didn't do well enough.
What rubbish. Was the 9mm supposed to blow his hand off? Would the .40 have blown it off?
I don't care what pistol you bring to an automatic rifle fight, you aren't going on the offensive if the riflemen know anything at all about suppressing their opposition.
Using the N. Hollywood shootout to excoriate the 9mm is silly.
M1911 pistol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIn response to problems encountered by American units fighting Moro guerrillas during the Philippine-American War, the then-standard Colt M1892 revolver, in .38 Long Colt, was found to be unsuitable for the rigors of jungle warfare, particularly in terms of stopping power, as the Moros had very high battle morale and frequently used drugs to inhibit the sensation of pain. The U.S. Army briefly reverted to using the M1873 single-action revolver in .45 Colt caliber, which had been standard during the last decades of the 19th century; the heavier bullet was found to be more effective against charging tribesmen. The problems with the .38 Long Colt led to the Army shipping new single action .45 Colt revolvers to the Philippines in 1902. It also prompted the then-Chief of Ordnance, General William Crozier, to authorize further testing for a new service pistol.
Can you give us an instance where the 9mm prevailed over the .40?
Yeah, I can't find the link right now but two guys shot at each other, one with a 9mm and the other with a .40. The two JHP bullets collided mid-air and the 9mm was found stuck fully into the .40. The two bullets dropped straight down. The .40 died from the penetration.
/Joking.
Heck, I'd like to think SIX hits from your vaunted .40 would not require a perp wearing a DOWN JACKET as armor to be shot eleven more times with 5.56x45, but it happened.I would like to think that if I shot someone in the hand they wouldn't be able to use it for a while. Not just drop his pistol, then pick it back up again and still be able to shoot it.
Heck, I'd like to think SIX hits from your vaunted .40 would not require a perp wearing a DOWN JACKET as armor to be shot eleven more times with 5.56x45, but it happened.
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Here's a big bright neon clue for you: ALL HANDGUNS SUCK AS FIGHT STOPPERS! They are carried for convenience, and not for their "death ray" abilities. They are dependent almost entirely upon shot placement for whatever combat effectiveness they have.
I have shot a 185 pound mule deer through the lungs, a classic COM shot, from 45m with a .30-06 and it RAN AWAY nearly 600 yards. Good thing we dropped that round after Korea for something ultimately smaller and faster, eh?
If somebody is beating my door down at o'dark-thirty, it's the rifle I'm going to grab first, not a pistol.
Pistols are great, if you don't have a real gun.
H