Texas Shooting

[Alexx1401]

Reportedly she's on probation for some charges from about a decade ago, and she received a call from someone in law enforcement telling her that if she keeps talking to media or if she keeps sharing her story that she might face some kind of violation for obstruction of justice.

She only came forward because a judge told her they would shorten her probation and protect her.

Mother who ran into Texas school during shooting discusses moments inside

When Angeli Gomez heard there was a man shooting people at her sons' school in Uvalde, Texas, she knew she had to go rescue her kids. CBS News Correspondent Lilia Luciano spoke exclusively with Gomez about the moments she spent inside the school, and why Gomez says police warned her to stop...

www.cbsnews.com

The people in charge of that FUBAR know this is going to keep lawyers busy for a decade to come. Now they don't know what the hell to do.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Not what I asked. If hesitation can get you or other children killed, would you hesitate? No need to answer publicly, just ask yourself and be honest.

Instead of sit and die, maybe "Stand and Deliver" (1988). Leading and role-modelling are far better than packing a gat. Plus, isn't student safety the question, not your personal safety? Another point, what happens when a student steals a teacher's gun? These things all need to be thought out. A lot more.

In general, school shooters, much like other workplace violence killers, do so for a reason. Usually from a real or perceived grievance either with the institution or with a particular individual. There are always going to be exceptions and every person/situation is unique.

There is a time and place for everything. Ever wonder why prison guards don't walk around in the prison with a firearm? Just like not everyone is suitable to carry a gun, not every place is suitable either.

Not if it gets other kids killed.

Look, I'm not putting you down or trying to win here. Just trying to get folks to think bigger picture. Dig deeper. Find lasting and long reaching solutions. Analyze instead of react. I would rather see a reduction in events like this instead of just moving them to somewhere else with the same frequency.

You sound like a union rep.

 

[jjfitch]

I wouldn't call your experience sufficient to make you an expert to speak for all teachers.

Teachers most definitely should be able to be armed. Give them the option, if it seems necessary, have them pass the same qualifications you had to do as a LEO, if they can pass those, there is no legitimate argument to keep them from doing so.

I'd surmise that many teachers who would otherwise be incapable of handling that responsibility wouldn't be interested in the first place.

You really need to spend 15 years working at a school maybe then you would have sufficient experience to make you an expert to speak for all teachers.

 

[Alexx1401]

You really need to spend 15 years working at a school maybe then you would have sufficient experience to make you an expert to speak for all teachers.

Not sure if you are missing what has been written or just choose to not see it. I have not seen anyone here say all teachers should be armed.

 

[American123]

You really need to spend 15 years working at a school maybe then you would have sufficient experience to make you an expert to speak for all teachers.

I'll take that jab and respond with this:

Think of how many teachers there are in the nation compared to how many your 15 years of experience led you to be in regular personal contact with.

This is where I can "educate" you. Because scientifically the number of teachers you personally had experience with would not have been enough to accurately generalize your findings for teachers across the nation.

In 2020 there were about 3.3 million teachers in the US in public and private schools.
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=372

If you were personally knowledgeable enough to evaluate 60 teachers every year, over 15 years that would be 900 teachers over the course of your career - but honestly how well do you really know them anyway? For example, my colleagues don't know that I enjoy target shooting on a regular basis. But let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say "sure, you know them all well enough to evaluate their competence."

900 compared to 3.3 million is 0.000272727272727
rounded up that is 3 ten thousandths of the entire population.

So you knew 3 out of every ten thousand teachers in the nation, statistically speaking, and you are going to be cavalier enough to claim that your knowledge of those 3 people out of 10,000 gives you enough to generalize for the whole population?

I hope you were a much better cop than you are a scientist

 

[Xaevian]

You sound like a union rep.

As opposed to a Confederate rep?

I'll take it!

 

[jjfitch]

I'll take that jab and respond with this:

Think of how many teachers there are in the nation compared to how many your 15 years of experience led you to be in regular personal contact with.

This is where I can "educate" you. Because scientifically the number of teachers you personally had experience with would not have been enough to accurately generalize your findings for teachers across the nation.

In 2020 there were about 3.3 million teachers in the US in public and private schools.
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=372

If you were personally knowledgeable enough to evaluate 60 teachers every year, over 15 years that would be 900 teachers over the course of your career - but honestly how well do you really know them anyway? For example, my colleagues don't know that I enjoy target shooting on a regular basis. But let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say "sure, you know them all well enough to evaluate their competence."

900 compared to 3.3 million is 0.000272727272727
rounded up that is 3 ten thousandths of the entire population.

WOW a dazzling response full of numbers and a personal attack! YOU DA MAN!

Yes, I'm a retired LEO and POST certified firearms instructor which means I teach people how to stay alive. I'm also a certified NIMS instructor. Google National Incident Management System. It's a system that teaches government institution such as schools to survive incident like fires, floods, civil unrest and ACTIVE SHOOTERS.

My observation isn't based on numbers but personal observations.

First of all, where did the "Gun Free Zone" originate?

The U. S. school system is a culture that embraces "defund the police" and Marxism that means to disarm ALL OF US! School administrators have a Pollyanna attitude toward disasters in the belief that "it won't happen in my district"!

Arming schoolteachers will be impossible as long as the present culture exists. Look at how the Uvalde School System reacted.

Your numbers are interesting but ignore the facts.

I pray that if you and other forum members have school aged children or grandchildren that you can get them into private schools so that they will cease to be indoctrinated and safe.

 

[arrowshooter]

I know the question of arms affordability has been mentioned here, but I sure hope a competent person follows the money as part of the investigation.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

He got the money from his job at Wendy's

Texas school shooter got job at Wendy's to save up $4K for guns

Salvador Ramos, 18, worked at Wendy's to save money to purchase the assault weapons he used to shoot up a Texas elementary school on Tuesday. He quit after earning the money.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Alexx1401]

He got the money from his job at Wendy's

Texas school shooter got job at Wendy's to save up $4K for guns

Salvador Ramos, 18, worked at Wendy's to save money to purchase the assault weapons he used to shoot up a Texas elementary school on Tuesday. He quit after earning the money.

www.dailymail.co.uk

See that part has bothered me too. Part time, min wage job, and he was able to buy 4K worth of guns? Color me skeptical.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

See that part has bothered me too. Part time, min wage job, and he was able to buy 4K worth of guns? Color me skeptical.

From what I can tell Wendy's pays around $9.00 an hour in TX, so maybe 2 years of part time work and whatever money he got for birthdays and the like. We also don't know how much money he had before he started working there, but to say 'he didn't have a job' like in the video is misleading

 

[Alexx1401]

From what I can tell Wendy's pays around $9.00 an hour in TX, so maybe 2 years of part time work and whatever money he got for birthdays and the like. We also don't know how much money he had before he started working there, but to say 'he didn't have a job' like in the video is misleading

No doubt you can work part time at a joint like that and make 4K. Its just a stretch for me to believe the kid was able to buy those this way. There has been so much lying since this happened that I daily expect them to find out more stuff they were trying to hide there.

 

[American123]

WOW a dazzling response full of numbers and a personal attack! YOU DA MAN!

Yes, I'm a retired LEO and POST certified firearms instructor which means I teach people how to stay alive. I'm also a certified NIMS instructor. Google National Incident Management System. It's a system that teaches government institution such as schools to survive incident like fires, floods, civil unrest and ACTIVE SHOOTERS.

My observation isn't based on numbers but personal observations.

First of all, where did the "Gun Free Zone" originate?

The U. S. school system is a culture that embraces "defund the police" and Marxism that means to disarm ALL OF US! School administrators have a Pollyanna attitude toward disasters in the belief that "it won't happen in my district"!

Arming schoolteachers will be impossible as long as the present culture exists. Look at how the Uvalde School System reacted.

Your numbers are interesting but ignore the facts.

I pray that if you and other forum members have school aged children or grandchildren that you can get them into private schools so that they will cease to be indoctrinated and safe.

Numbers are facts… personal observations are anecdotal when referencing 3/10000 of a group. I'm kind of wondering at this point if you even know what those numbers represent since you seemed to casually dismiss them as if they meant nothing and were taken aback that I suggested your deductions based on such a limited set of data were faulty. If you were personally offended by my statements that would fall into the category of "facts don't care about your feelings."

The law is what determines what legally is allowed to happens at schools, not the marxist teacher groups, not the bloated administration or school board.

It is an RCW (revised code of Washington) that applies a gun free zone at schools in Washington state. If lawmakers changed that law, teachers/admins could carry at schools.

It is true, the education system is rampant with socialists/marxists and liberals (that was redundant), but they are not 100% of teachers.

If it was made legal to carry on school grounds you'd see immediately some teachers doing that, and over time you'd see more teachers become more acclimated to the idea and do that as well.

FYI, indoctrination occurs at private schools as well, it can occur in any school because individual teachers can and often supplement their lessons with material that they want their students to learn outside of the regular curriculum. This can be used for "good" or "bad." For example, I have a friend whose child attended a local charter school during the covid/zoom school time period, and according to my friend, this teacher spent the first several weeks talking about her tranny life and her top surgery that she had done but that the bottom surgery was more expensive and she had to save for that. Comparatively, I like to teach students about personal finance, applying logic and deductive reasoning, and the bill of rights/constitution even though none of that is specifically in the curriculum either.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

No doubt you can work part time at a joint like that and make 4K. Its just a stretch for me to believe the kid was able to buy those this way. There has been so much lying since this happened that I daily expect them to find out more stuff they were trying to hide there.

Fair point, but IIRC all the lying has been from local LEO related to their efforts. Not saying other people can't lie, just that I haven't seen it here yet

 

[Alexx1401]

Fair point, but IIRC all the lying has been from local LEO related to their efforts. Not saying other people can't lie, just that I haven't seen it here yet

What I mean is at first I read this was one of those "this kid gave no warning", we don't know how he snapped. Then days later it finally hit that he was for years showing everyone around him he was one sick puppy. So now it leaves me wondering if they don't have more embarrassing info on those guns that the people he lived with claim they had no idea he owned, since they were not allowed to have a gun or ammo in their home. Its just been a HUGE damn mess.

 

[Bobbygun]

See that part has bothered me too. Part time, min wage job, and he was able to buy 4K worth of guns? Color me skeptical.

Nice kid like that? Probably "dipping into the till" at Wendy's.

Disclaimer: I have never worked at Wendy's and have no idea what types of internal controls they have to prevent employee theft.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Nice kid like that? Probably "dipping into the till" at Wendy's.

Disclaimer: I have never worked at Wendy's and have no idea what types of internal controls they have to prevent employee theft.

But in the world of probabilities that would be soooooo much more likely than a secret dark money Derp State operation

 

[Alexx1401]

But in the world of probabilities that would be soooooo much more likely than a secret dark money Derp State operation

While I doubt that I would not at all be surprised to find out the people he lived with helped buy those guns and knew full well he had them. Like the kook who shot up that school with an AR his Mom bought for him. Even though the kid had easy to see "problems".

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

While I doubt that I would not at all be surprised to find out the people he lived with helped buy those guns and knew full well he had them. Like the kook who shot up that school with an AR his Mom bought for him. Even though the kid had easy to see "problems".

Also well within the realm of probable possibilities!

 

[slimmer13]

If he was planning on murder/suicide, he probably just put them on a CC he wasn't planning on paying off.