Mall Shooting in Munich

[Member 3687]

'm sure I'm in the minority here, so flame away..
While I wholeheartedly agree with the US excluding immigrants from Muslim countries-
I see this thread contains statements from people denouncing Nazis and Neo-Nazis, yet at the same time calling for total genocide..
Does anyone see the irony- or better yet, hypocrisy?
I think the Muslim situation is as bad as the next guy, but come on.

I cannot speak for anyone but myself but personally the Nazi wanted to wipe out one or more races of people because they felt they were inferior like the Jews and Blacks.

I do not want to wipe out a race or a realign just the group of folks with an Ideology that wants to wipe me out because I do not follow their beliefs.

I feel it's called self defense.

It would be like the Jews and Blacks fighting the Nazi.

 

[Ura-Ki]

I do not think there are any of us here who advocate wiping out an entire race, but those that want endless blood, Those are the ones that need a killing! And lets be frank, Our Leaders here in the free world, small as it is, have utterly failed to act on this and have allowed it to fester and grow to the point it has gotten to! We face the very real threat HERE in out own country, and it's only a matter of time before we have a Paris Here in out cities! Taking an obtuse position on something like this is what has gotten us here in the first place, Now the Damage control is much worse and much more involved then it could have/should have been! When we have a new leader, maybe changes will come, what those changes are we need to take a very close look at to make sure pro-action is taken!

 

[albin25]

Exhorting a genocide or genocide like event really is getting to be a bit much...
...Maybe what we need is to find a way to make a commitment to either the Sunni or Shiite side of the Islamic divide and pound the crap outa the other one of them.
Is that just genocide-lite or is it more like "pruning"?

We could hold a sort of "contest", a race of sorts from the 11th century to the 21st century. The version of Islam that makes nice and learns to play well with the rest of the world after say, a 5 year competitive "race to reformation" is declared the victor and as such gets the opportunity to help us wipe out the less cooperative losers.

 

[Osarion]

It's amazing to me they can't see the fault in this thinking. It just reinforces to me what I've stated here many times - they don't give a sh!t about saving lives via gun control. They only care to use incidents like these to further control the populace by further disarming them. We have so much evidence now that gun control is an absolute failure, yet so few citizens actually see that.

My guess, based on the Germans I know and have known, is that they'll compliantly go along with whatever further restrictions their government gives them. They've been trained up to believe that way.

It's worse than you think. Western democracy is in real trouble. Especially in Germany. These people are being arrested and their houses being raided for making FACEBOOK GROUPS complaining about the migrant issues they're experiencing... the same issue which German government and media are actively trying to cover up and suppress protest about. State funded media actually and intentionally spun a rape case to blame a German, instead of the actual migrant rapist. Migrant crime statistics are being hidden from the public.

But yeah, Germany needs better gun control laws. Still some folks who might have a chance to rise up with their hunting rifles. But this could never happen in modern day western civilization! This crap is so unbelievable it's... well... hardly even believable. But it is very much true and happening.

 

[Sgt Nambu]

It's amazing to me they can't see the fault in this thinking. It just reinforces to me what I've stated here many times - they don't give a sh!t about saving lives via gun control. They only care to use incidents like these to further control the populace by further disarming them. We have so much evidence now that gun control is an absolute failure, yet so few citizens actually see that.

My guess, based on the Germans I know and have known, is that they'll compliantly go along with whatever further restrictions their government gives them. They've been trained up to believe that way.

Agreed, two world wars has cut down on the ones with spirit, too!

 

[Sgt Nambu]

Exhorting a genocide or genocide like event really is getting to be a bit much...
...Maybe what we need is to find a way to make a commitment to either the Sunni or Shiite side of the Islamic divide and pound the crap outa the other one of them.
Is that just genocide-lite or is it more like "pruning"?

We could hold a sort of "contest", a race of sorts from the 11th century to the 21st century. The version of Islam that makes nice and learns to play well with the rest of the world after say, a 5 year competitive "race to reformation" is declared the victor and as such gets the opportunity to help us wipe out the less cooperative losers.

Great! Then turn the guns around!

 

[Ura-Ki]

Lets ask this a different way, ISIS is already here in our country, the real questions you should be asking is why has this been allowed to get this far? Why are we having to deal with this in our own towns and cities? Why has our All Powerful, All knowing, Gubment done nothing to stop this! We have the most powerful military in the world, capable of taking on any TWO superpowers at the same time, and yet we have this! We have the best intelligence agencies in the world, and these operatives have still infiltrated our lands and set up shop and are open for business! What do you think a reasonable course of action might be? If you are sickened by the thought of dealing with these people with a final and permanent solution, then what do you propose we do about them? There can be no reasoning with them, nothing we can do to convince them this is all wrong, no amount of money can buy them out and make this go away! I use there teaching of Convert by the Word or the Sword a lot, for a very good reason, This is the ONLY thing they are capable of understanding, and as such, you can submit, or you can fight, there is NO middle ground, no negotiation, PERIOD!

 

[Osarion]

Lets ask this a different way, ISIS is already here in our country, the real questions you should be asking is why has this been allowed to get this far?

Because ISIS completely deconstructed is an ideology. You can attack, kill and bomb people and places all you want -- Ironically this fuels the ideology -- but you can't physically destroy an idea. Especially when the holders of this idea view death as a GOOD thing. I sort of liken ISIS to Klingons, only without the honor, respect for women and interesting culture. If you're a fan of Star Trek. They DEFINITELY are not afraid of or deterred by death though.

Why has our All Powerful, All knowing, Gubment done nothing to stop this!

Because the government is not all powerful and all knowing. There is no secret room with shadowy figures lead by the smoking man that see, know, and control all. They're a bunch of flawed bubblegums like the rest of us. AKA, just people.

We have the most powerful military in the world, capable of taking on any TWO superpowers at the same time, and yet we have this!

See quote #1.

We have the best intelligence agencies in the world, and these operatives have still infiltrated our lands and set up shop and are open for business!

See quote #2.

What do you think a reasonable course of action might be?

Get off our oil addiction, pack our bags and GTFO. Oversee that they aren't developing nukes but otherwise let them wipe each other out until they're so tired of it that they WANT peace and WANT democracy and WANT our help to create it. America has done enough to foster and create terrorism in the middle east. We don't need to keep giving them reasons to fight and hate us. When their people are tired of oppressive regimes and the iron fist of socially regressive Islam, let them have their own revolution just like we did. That's the only way you bring about this type of change. Trying to force democracy on them is a fool's errand and blatant hubris.

 

[tac]

Quote - 'The handgun used by Munich killer was a converted replica which had been bought on the 'dark web' and was originally from Slovakia, say investigators.'

Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, that facts ARE that -

The gun used by the deranged Munich killer had been bought on the 'dark web' and was originally from Slovakia, according to investigators.

The 9mm Glock handgun was smuggled into Germany and sold illegally to 18-year-old killer Ali Sonboly.

The serial number on the weapon had been erased but police sources have revealed the firearm carried a certification mark from Slovakia.

It is believed the weapon used to kill nine people on Friday was a replica that had been converted to fire live ammunition.

The Glock 17 pistol was sold illegally via the the 'dark web' - sites on the internet that can only be accessed with passwords and are often used to sell drugs, child porn and other items illegally.

Sonboly spent hours locked in his bedroom playing violent computer games and using the internet.

Police seized his computer from the home he shared with his parents and younger brother.
By examining his hard disk they will be able to find out where the gun was purchased from and most likely who was involved in its handling on its route from Slovakia to Germany.

Germany has strict gun laws and Sonboly would not have been granted a licence to own a weapon.

He had been undergoing treatment for depression at the Klinikum Harlaching Hospital in Munich last year, according to the a report in the German media.

He spent two months as an inpatient at the psychiatric unit and was also being treated for attention deficit disorder.

According to a report in the Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper police found the manifesto of mass killer Anders Brevik on his computer.

Sonboly carried out his shooting rampage on the fifth anniversary of Brevik killing 77 people in Norway.

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Na Klar?

tac

 

[tac]

When their people are tired of oppressive regimes and the iron fist of socially regressive Islam, let them have their own revolution

Hmmm, I seem to recall that that happened in Iran in 1979.

...and now they have a, what exactly?

Well, from where I'M sitting, it looks a lot like an oppressive régime and the iron fist of socially regressive islam.

tac

 

[Osarion]

Hmmm, I seem to recall that that happened in Iran in 1979.

...and now they have a, what exactly?

Well, from where I'M sitting, it looks a lot like an oppressive régime and the iron fist of socially regressive islam.

tac

The 1979 revolution that brought us the Ayatollah and an Islamist regime and replaced a pro western governing body? Yeah that's not the kind of revolution I'm talking about.

And that's part of the problem. The vast majority of Muslims and certainly the ruling class don't WANT change or revolution. They're just fine with the way things are. We damn sure aren't going to change their minds with arguments, and bloody damn well sure not with bombs. Nothing is going to change until they WANT change. And they don't. Blowing them to smithereens will not change their culture.

Like I said. The solution is to get off our oil addiction and just walk away from the middle east for a LONG time. We all know oil is the one and only reason we're even aware they exist anyway.

 

[nwslopoke]

Like I said. The solution is to get off our oil addiction and just walk away from the middle east for a LONG time. We all know oil is the one and only reason we're even aware they exist anyway.

Those oil rich countries are actually a very small handful of oil rich people (as in stupid rich). Depending on the country, most people there that's not connected to royalty in some way are pretty poor.

While I definitely want to get away from middle eastern oil I think it's too late to have the effect we want. The poor will get even poorer and it will be blamed on the US.

Historically the US has had zero problems banning certain countries immigrating to this country. I see too many fighting aged men fleeing their country. No country is 100% at war or conflict. Find safer zones in their region and send them there because to many are not happy in western conditions.

 

[tac]

Those oil rich countries are actually a very small handful of oil rich people (as in stupid rich).

Back in the day when my INTEL school was training a couple of Saudi pilots a year, the uncle of one of them arrived on base in his own DC-10, as his major wife wanted to do some shopping in Paris on the way back. He had three DC-10s, one fitted out to transport his hunting birds all over the world, should he require it.

We talked, openly, about the dangers of having so much money that it was actually difficult to spend it - after all, what can you really DO with more than twelve golf clubs - clubs as in places where you go to play golf?

He remarked ruefully that flying his DC-10s was as much fun as got up to in the air these days, and he was going to have to look to 'move on' from his collection of forty-something post-WW2 military jet fighters and look for some other way to spend money...poor soul, my heart pumped purple p*ss for him.

tac

 

[etrain16]

Back in the day when my INTEL school was training a couple of Saudi pilots a year, the uncle of one of them arrived on base in his own DC-10, as his major wife wanted to do some shopping in Paris on the way back. He had three DC-10s, one fitted out to transport his hunting birds all over the world, should he require it.

We talked, openly, about the dangers of having so much money that it was actually difficult to spend it - after all, what can you really DO with more than twelve golf clubs - clubs as in places where you go to play golf?

He remarked ruefully that flying his DC-10s was as much fun as got up to in the air these days, and he was going to have to look to 'move on' from his collection of forty-something post-WW2 military jet fighters and look for some other way to spend money...poor soul, my heart pumped purple p*ss for him.

tac

Many years ago, I was taking flight lessons during my senior year in high school, got my pilot's license when I was 19. At our flight school, there were 3 pilots from Saudi Arabia that came here to get their training. From what I was told by the school owner, they could come here, spend the money to go from the Private Pilot license, up through Commercial and ATP (Airline Transport) much more easily and less costly than they could at home. Basically they would live here for a few months, get their hours and training, then head home to become pilots. Seems like each of them had some wealthy financial backers to send them here. Sounds like it was a pretty common practice.

Of course, this was years before 9/11, so folks didn't give a second thought to training these guys, they just wanted their money...and they seemed to have a lot of it, they certainly were a different breed of student pilot than the rest of us scraping enough money together for just one more hour of flight time.

 

[tac]

Another Saud arrived at London Airport, got the cab to take him to the nearest Porsche dealership and bought a nice shiny new Carrera RS Turbo.

And thirteen ignition keys.

Two days later it was delivered to the Officer's Mess on base, and a key given to each student on the course [and a spare, in case any of the instructors wanted to take it for a drive]. Use the platinum Amex card attached to each keyring for gas, he said - it's all prepaid anyhow. Just ask me it you need to go over £5000.00 for anything though, ok?

Twelve weeks later, they all went back home, and the Porsche, with almost 8000 miles on the clock, stayed behind.

As the course sponsor, I was left with the baby, a Porsche-shaped baby, but a baby nonetheless. I called up the Saudi embassy in London, and asked them what they wanted to do with it, since it was plainly the property of Flt Lt Ali ibn Whatsit, and could not stay here. Did he not want it sent back to Saudi Arabia, I asked in all innocence. Good grief no, was the affronted response, what on earth would he do with another Porsche? He already has over two hundred back home. He collects Porsche cars, y'know......

In the end, I got it collected by the dealership, who sent him a cheque for x-amount of money, but by then I had given up caring how much. I suspect he never even noticed.

tac

 

[Howard1955]

I took this screenshot from a news report I saw on YouTube. Yep, it's another mohammedan.