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Usually it is the actual selling price but if the price is below market value the ffl may use some arbitrary book value as he has to pay the difference if the state audits him and decides he collected the wrong amount
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So in effect, WA has instituted a method for an FFL to rob a buyer for them if the buyer deigns to step outside of buying retail. Nice.
thanks for clarifying a few things...
1. you are new to WA. I guess you moved from OR. there is no WA background check fee. there is an FFL transfer fee (price set by FFL)
2. 50$ shipping is reasonable if the seller is dropping to his east coast FFL. that FFL would charge the seller a fee + shipping. since they are shipping FFL to FFL does not have to be overnight shipping so it is cheaper. suspect 25$shipping+25$ffl fee= 50$ so that is legit..
3. your WA FFL here will charge you a transfer fee. so add 25-50$ to that. but I would choose an FFL that charged 25$ and use them unless you have no options.
4. your WA FFL here will collect WA use tax
5. the firearm is NOT NEW... it is currently in possession of a non-FFL holder which means it had been sold by an FFL at some point to a private party and now it is used... doesn't matter if he never fired it... it is a used gun as far as the ATF is concerned... so this part is somebody making money off you... or some other bait and switch... even if there was a tax on new RETAIL firearm sales (which I've never heard of but I may be just ignorant, the tax would not apply to your purchase)
Yeah, I doubt the deal is gonna happen anyways. The seller and his ffl doesn't want to work with me on this so I just might pass on it. By the time I pay the seller, the fees, and shipping it's just easier and cheaper to drive up to oly arms and order a new pistol. Hopefully oly won't have their usual 1 year wait.
Now if you have a C&R license, do you still have to pay this arbitrary use tax on a C&R purchase?
Since it seems new to out of state buys- it's always best to make your offer/deal with a "$xyz price shipped". It's not necessarily your job to pay all the fees the buyer trying to get out of you. Easiest to offer a dollar amount shipped and leave the rest to them on their end.
By State law you are required to pay ALL of your taxes. Say you go to OR and buy a $1000 TV to "save the tax", well when you get home you should be filling out your tax forms and paying your ~8% tax to the State. Does it happen, no. Does the state have an easy way of enforcing it, not even close. Use tax
So WA gun dealers, just like car dealers should have by law been collecting taxes on gun all along but they had not been. WA is broke like most of the government so they went after an area where "tax enforcement" would be easier. Here is the big "notice" about it, http://dor.wa.gov/docs/pubs/special...tactics are just down right sleazy and wrong.
I tried that with the seller last night. He doesn't want to pay any fees or deal with any of it. He just wants to drop it off at his ffl and walk away. Thanks for the advice though.
If the seller is really interested in selling the item, you could inform him to find another FFL who is going to follow the correct fees. With that, other potential buyers won't be turned off by it.
Usually it is the actual selling price but if the price is below market value the ffl may use some arbitrary book value as he has to pay the difference if the state audits him and decides he collected the wrong amount
I swear, everyday I get more and more irritated by the ways the government tries to tax us. Some of their tactics are just down right sleazy and wrong.
We should fire them.
Odd question though, at Wholesale Sports here I've been asked a few times if I have a Montana ID, because if I did they wouldn't charge me sales tax. What's up with that?!
So you believe it's OK to flaunt the laws and not pay taxes to your state of residence?
No sales tax in Montana. So just like Washington residents buying things in Oregon are required to pay use tax to Washington. Oregon and Montana residents can show their ID and not pay sales tax in Washington.
I have not bought a new handgun in awhile. I found a gun online that I have been looking for for awhile. Got kinda excited about it until I looked into what it would take to own it. After the transfer, ATF tax, and washingtons "use" tax it's a extra $250! Seriousally? Is this the standard now? They can't get rid of guns so they tax them heavily?
Can any other Washington residents confirm that this is the new standard for owning firearms?