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This whole thing is disgusting all around, but it was topped off today when the kid's mom (note lower case there) moved to trademark his name...last week.
We do know a few things... Zimmerman was carrying a gun and Trayvon was carrying Skittles.
Zimmerman was asked to stay put and he went after Trayvon. You know this as fact or opinion? It is NOT fact yet.
The kid is dead and the killer walked, hiding behind the Castle Doctrine.
Racist or not he chased the kid down Really? Wheres your proof, on both statement Racist and chased down
and killed him. He could have stayed in his car like the dispatcher said. Dont bring a gun to a fist fight. Self defense...HA! The kid defended himself with his hands and probably whooped his *** and he was ticked and shot him.
Remember who chased who down. Really you still going there? Following till told to stop we have NO facts yet beyond that Timeframe
Isnt the Castle doctrine supposed to protect people pleading self defense in their own homes, ie their castle??
billstaf... you are saying for everyone to shut the hell up and let law enforcement do their job? Isnt that the issue? Local Law Enforcement didnt do their job and thats what the world is ticked at.
DMax... civil unrest BS??? really? fighting for your rights is BS? I suppose that in your opinion blacks should still use separate water fountains and sit on the back of the bus eh?
Don't confuse fighting for your rights with lying and racebaiting which is what Sharpton,Jackson do they are only in it for the money and control. If you did not grow up in the 60s then I can see where you are confused about what is being said. If they really cared they would not be silent on all the black on black killings only with Blacks being killed by non Blacks.
Someones unarmed son is dead because of a trigger happy cop wannabe. Rep or Dem that plain just sucks.
So, at nearly 18 years old, 6'2" and a football player, he's a helpless, introverted kid? Never had a bad word for anyone?Sounds like complete BS. Every description of the kid is that of a introvert and non confrontation type.
That he would attack his pursuer and pound him into the ground just doesn't seem possible. But if Zimmerman has witnesses that say it happen that way, it is case closed. Unless other witnesses say otherwise.
Sounds like complete BS. Every description of the kid is that of a introvert and non confrontation type.
That he would attack his pursuer and pound him into the ground just doesn't seem possible. But if Zimmerman has witnesses that say it happen that way, it is case closed. Unless other witnesses say otherwise.
So, at nearly 18 years old, 6'2" and a football player, he's a helpless, introverted kid? Never had a bad word for anyone?
With his twitter photo of his gold tooth "grill", he's an introvert?
Try reading his tweets. He goes by no_limit_n i gg a, here:
[Sorry with the forum's "bubblegum" censorship of the word N i g g a the link won't work]
But you can get there through The Daily Caller here:
Trayvon Martin Tweets | Twitter Account | The Daily Caller
If you have the stomach for it.
Odd, that he looks so different in his wallpaper photo when you go to his twitter page.
This kid was a borderline thug, and I'm not so sure about the "borderline" part.
Oh, and Zimmerman was NEVER told not to follow/pursue the kid. When he said he was going to follow him, the dispatcher said: "You don't need to do that."
Wayyy different than being told to cease and desist.
And as far as chuckie schumer goes, he doesn't need a reason to call for abandonment of gun rights any more than feinstein or the rest of their ilk do.
But they'll never pass up a manufactured crisis like this one to push their agenda.
So in addition to trying to ignite a race war we see another reason Democrats and Media are sensationalizing the Trayvon shooting. I guess you never let a good crisis go to waste!
Schumer Calls For Federal Probe Of 'Stand Your Ground' Laws After Florida Shooting | Fox News
Oh, and Zimmerman was NEVER told not to follow/pursue the kid. When he said he was going to follow him, the dispatcher said: "You don't need to do that."
Wayyy different than being told to cease and desist.
Igniting a race war because he is questioning the SYG laws? I don't think so. Schumer isn't trying to ignite a race war but he does seem to be on a fast track to showing his ignorance of the case and the applicability of the SYG in this particular case. As usual Schumer and all other politicians is doing what they do best when they perceive it could help them: knee jerk react and hope you come down on the correct side of the issue after the facts have been laid out. God help any of us if a Congressmen/woman ever gets to sit on your jury.
I agree. If he was a 'borderline' thug he should have been immediately shot. Also, if he made nasty tweets, I believe the law allows him to be shot as well.
Here, let me expand on that for you. I don't know if my crystal ball is as good as yours, but I'll try,...But if he *hadn't*, the kid would still be alive.
It would have been interesting if the kid had been of a legal age to carry and had a permit, and he shot the guy following him at night & confronting him, to see what the reactions would be... He would have been more justified doing that than what happened, IMO.
On Feb. 26, when Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon, he called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.
Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.
There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.
Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police.
Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose.
Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.
Zimmerman began yelling for help.
Several witnesses heard those cries, and there's been a dispute about from whom they came: Zimmerman or Trayvon.
Lawyers for Trayvon's family say it was Trayvon, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.
One witnesses, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.
Zimmerman then shot Trayvon once in the chest from very close range, according to authorities.
When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head.
Paramedics gave him first aid, but he said no to going to the hospital. He got medical care the next day.
That may very well be correct Mike.Listen to the 911 call and honestly ask yourself if Zimmerman was just getting a vague 'we don't need you to do that but suit yourself, do your own thing' type of instruction? Again, the call says 'Are you following him?" and 'We don't need you to do that' very emphatically to which Zimmerman clearly says 'OK".
You are right that if Zimmerman had had some actual skills as a neighborhood watch person he could have possibly talked with the young man without making him so fearful, but again, the 911 call clearly shows that Zimmerman had already decided that Trayvon was a perp.
Care to post a copy of your law degree?What's clear here is that Zimmerman brought a gun to a fistfight, one that he provoked. He had every opportunity to walk away, up to and including when he first got punched. Zimmerman deserves some jail time. If we, as gun owners and CHL holders, come down on the right side of this we don't have to defend a Castle Doctrine, Stand Your Ground law, or the right to carry concealed. They are not the issue. Zimmerman was just plain wrong and should have been arrested, even if he might later be cleared.
Having problems with reading and comprehension this morning?He had every opportunity to walk away,<snip>
So, according to the only (anecdotal) evidence the Sheriff's Dept. has, he was walking away, and Trayvon pursued Zimmerman, and initiated contact.Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.