Washington Antifa Brings AR-15s To Seattle Counter Pro-Constitution Rally

[turbo_vanner]

there are masks and violence on both sides. Whether or not someone wears a mask doesn't concern me.

 

[Dwesson]

they look about the same to me as the folks on the other side who feel the need to protest while armed.

If you can't see the difference between people exercising their right to open carry at say, a gun rights rally versus people who cover their face and fly the hammer and sickle while threatening others...

 

[turbo_vanner]

I have also ran across the socialist rifle association folks a few times in the woods. Nice as anyone I met at a wolf creek cleanup. They just believe in different things, which they have more than the right to do as far as I'm concerned.

I just think its silly to think you need to march around with a rifle in order to protest some viewpoints, whichever side they happen to be on. The getup, whether its an old glory bandana or black and red across your face, I don't care. Seems pretty petty to have an issue with that.

 

[Dwesson]

there are masks and violence on both sides. Whether or not someone wears a mask doesn't concern me.

Care to provide proof of:

1. Patriot Prayer leaders wearing masks at rallies or Proud Boys for that matter?
2. Instigating violence vs responding to it?

I am not special pleader for either of these organizations but the false equivalency between Antifa and these orgs is pretty hilarious. My bad I missed a known troll, but apparently there are others...

 

[Geardo]

he getup, whether its an old glory bandana or black and red across your face, I don't care. Seems pretty petty to have an issue with that

It won't seem petty when they throw you in a gulag because you didn't want to do your assigned job.

 

[turbo_vanner]

sorry, I dont track who leads what group and their latest fashion trends. Plenty of red white and blue and dont tread on me bandannas in protests though, or balaclavas under helmets, etc.

As far as violence, A driver in a car killed someone on the east coast, and the max stabber was a follower of Patriot prayer or proud boys, or both. As misguided as he was, he was allowed to march and protest with them.

 

[turbo_vanner]

It won't seem petty when they throw you in a gulag because you didn't want to do your assigned job.

Maybe, but even if left unchecked, I just don't believe the left will ever go that far. I could be wrong, but I'm not betting my future on it. Seems more like fear-mongering to me.

Do as you will though.

 

[Boboclown]

Maybe, but even if left unchecked, I just don't believe the left will ever go that far. I could be wrong, but I'm not betting my future on it. Seems more like fear-mongering to me.

Do as you will though.

It definitely wasn't commies that overthrew the czar.

 

[Dwesson]

sorry, I dont track who leads what group and their latest fashion trends. Plenty of red white and blue and dont tread on me bandannas in protests though, or balaclavas under helmets, etc.

As far as violence, A driver in a car killed someone on the east coast, and the max stabber was a follower of Patriot prayer or proud boys, or both. As misguided as he was, he was allowed to march and protest with them.

Wearing a bandana on your head is a lot different than concealing your face. Wouldn't you wear a helmet if someone could hit you over the head with a lock in a sock? A lot of what you see is unfortunately a byproduct of the violence on the left.

You're from Portland and you don't know that the Max train stabber was a known white supremacist and not a member of either organization?

"
According to his posts, he was a passionate Bernie Sanders supporter who later supported, but did not vote for, President Trump. He frequently posted violent threats against Hillary Clinton and her supporters."

From BuzzFeed none-the-less...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/portland-suspect

You don't get to just lump white supremacists in with these two organizations and say "violence on both sides". It's a false argument.

 

[11Charlie]

One last chance gentlemen keep this clean. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. If we can't do that then I will shut it down!

Rule one for a reminder is "Be excellent to each other!"

 

[turbo_vanner]

well, when white supremacists march with patriot prayer or proud boys, I will associate the two.

And there were plenty of bandanas around faces, thats why i mentioned it, and why I don't care who wears them.

 

[Geardo]

As far as violence, A driver in a car killed someone on the east coast,

My one lefty/socialst friend loves loves loves to bring this up. Have you ever watched the video? It was a car accident, which happens when you block roads with a disorganized violent mob.

 

[turbo_vanner]

I'm not going to argue about why he did it, or if the pedestrians were at fault, or what different camera angles on youtube prove.

All I know is its not hard to not run people over, and someone died.

 

[Geardo]

I will bow out now. Pretty Damn riled up. My apoligies to everyone for taking it too far.

 

[Dwesson]

well, when white supremacists march with patriot prayer or proud boys, I will associate the two.

And there were plenty of bandanas around faces, thats why i mentioned it, and why I don't care who wears them.

They are OPEN gatherings, they don't have the ability to control who shows up. They have gone on the record to say white supremacists aren't welcome at their rallies.

What do you think La Raza is? Who do you think they march with, with open arms I might add..LOL

Edit: I'm done too. You want to believe want you want to believe...no point arguing.

 

[turbo_vanner]

im not into the lefts side of things, and the people they march with either. Both sides are breeding grounds for senseless hate.

That was the whole point of my first post about it being the same thing with a different look.

 

[MannyGlocks]

"Both sides are breeding grounds for senseless hate."

You're a college student being taught by leftists, right?

That's not a slur, it's a question.

One other question: Do you think our U.S. Constitution is a good or bad thing?

And, thank you.

 

[Dwesson]

im not into the lefts side of things, and the people they march with either. Both sides are breeding grounds for senseless hate.

That was the whole point of my first post about it being the same thing with a different look.

And all I am saying is it's NOT the same thing when one group publicly disavows anything to do with those people that show up vs another side that says "hey you're more than welcome to march with us"

 

[turbo_vanner]

"Both sides are breeding grounds for senseless hate."

You're a college student being taught by leftists, right?

That's not a slur, it's a question.

One other question: Do you think our U.S. Constitution is a good or bad thing?

And, thank you.

No, I went to a liberal college (Southern Oregon University) and graduated about ten years ago with a science degree. I couldn't tell you my professors political leanings because I didn't ask or care, and they never said anything about it. The school itself did not push politics. Students did, and the school gave them a platform to speak, but never organized or sponsored anything political for them.

I appreciate the constitution in that it is an incredible testament to our species use of reason and logic, and has given us one of the most stable forms of government our planet has seen. I also like that it can be amended should enough citizens and their representatives deem it necessary.

More than welcome.

 

[bbbass]

Antifa groups directly advocate violence and "don't apologize" when violence breaks out at their rallies.[52] "Their methods are often violent and Antifa leaders admit they're willing to physically attack anyone who employs violence against them or who condones racism – as long as force is used in the name of eradicating hatred."[53] As one Antifa leader explained, "You have to put your body in the way… and you have to make it speak in the language that they understand. And sometimes that is violence."[54]


Antifascists rationalize their violent actions as "defensive." They argue, "Hate speech against vulnerable minorities… leads to violence against vulnerable minorities."[55]

From an interesting website called Influence Watch. I like that they provide source for their commentary. Antifa

Antifa groups have one unifying feature, "tracking and countering fascists and white supremacists." [41] Otherwise, the lack of hierarchy means that each local Antifa chapter decides what causes they choose to fight against. [42] These include, but are by no means limited to:

• "Other Radical right-wing forces"
• Anti-immigrant movements
• The Patriot movement
• The militia movement
• Islamophobes
• Men's Rights Activists[43]

The term Antifa is currently used to define a broad group of people whose political beliefs lean toward the left, often the extreme left, who engage in aggressive protests against right-wing and center-right political groups.[8] Antifa's protest methods are often violent, and local leaders admit they're willing to physically attack anyone who employs violence against them or who "condones racism," as the Antifa demonstrators define it.[9]

Antifa claim inspiration from 1930s-era extreme-left-wing German street protesters opposed to the rising Nazi regime.[14] Modern "black bloc" Antifa resurfaced in the 1980s, again allegedly to oppose neo-fascist skinhead movements.[15]

The movement first entered the American stage as Anti-Racist Action, a network that originated in 1987 with the "Baldies," an organization in Minneapolis, leading to the creation of other groups across the country to fight neo-Nazis.[16] After a relatively dormant period, large numbers of Antifa activists appeared in the United States at anti-World Trade Organization protests in 1999 in Seattle, and then more recently during the Occupy Wall Street movement. [17] Donald Trump's success in the 2016 campaign and resulting Presidency has seen "explosive growth" in Antifa membership and a surge in violent activity.[18]

It's hard to get a handle on AntiFA because they are so decentralized. However, when I have been able to find direct quotes, such as when they protested Milo in Berkeley, they have been full of recommendations for violence and their rationalization of such. There's no doubt the "official" position of their leaders is violence in service to their cause. -bb (sorry, I can't get the italics to turn off. )