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We do it. They do it. I don't see a problem with it at all.

Irony though, yep. I definitely see that...

Let me know when you catch some 2nd Amendment supporters open carrying ARs threatening people with their lives over a YouTube channel.

Don't know who "we" is to you but I've never seen that and as an ardent supporter of the 2nd, I'd appreciate not being lumped into your "we".

I don't see much irony but I see a hell of a lot of false equivalency.
 
How you present yourself when carrying a firearm can be seen in many different ways... Just how you view yourself...And how others are viewing you may be worlds apart.
To me , when I saw the pictures in the thread of folks in black with masks on carrying guns , it appears threatening.

I also understand that the only footage I have seen actively re-enforces this view....Kinda like how anti gun folks only show the worst examples of guns and gun owners in their videos.

The Bill of Rights is for all US citizens....where I find the irony is ,that some of the same folks that wear the trappings of communism , who:
Vote..
Have the freedom of choice in religion and owning firearms...
But at the same time , want to get rid of the very foundations , documents and ways and means of just what provides them the freedoms that they are exercising.
Don't make no sense to me...:confused:
Andy
 
G.B.

"We do it. They do it. I don't see a problem with it at all."

Please elaborate.

If you are saying (and maybe you're not) that anti-f and the rest of the non-anti-f world are all the same - nope, not at all, not even close.

Anti-f hates free speech, free thought, and mere mortals, that is those of us who don't buy into the anti-f mind set, must understand 'resistance is futile' -------ppppppssssst, it isn't...
 
The million dolla question is, will the Seattle and Portland radicals allow the Antifa idiots to stay armed after the rest of us are stripped of our rights? They'll still need their enforcers to relieve us of all rights,,,,o_O
 
We need more Govt. Anti-Gun (and Anti-Hate) Laws to regulate us. Just like in the UK. You know....they don't have an Antifa problem there.


"Freedom of speech comes with responsibility. And, the Judge argued, that if you're not responsible, you don't get free speech."

Is that the way America should be? Who gets to decide.....who's "responsible"? A leading Democrat (i.e. Hillary)? The Democratic Party? A Judge on a case by case basis? A particular group like the anti-whatever protesters (maybe even, Antifa)?

I don't think so. But, there are various groups and individuals today that want America to be more like the UK (or Europe).

F@^* that. We have a Constitution. Freedom of speech and all that. Rrrright. But to some in America, the 2nd A doesn't really mean what it says, Because, they think that it says.....

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, unless I say it's reasonable."

Aloha, Mark
 
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Watching these videos eases my mind. I see a whole lot of BETA going on there. The absolute rejects of society all in one place. Bunch of nobodies. It's clear none of them contribute to society. None of them appear to have jobs, probably don't pay rent or own a home/car. A lot of them are overweight and a burden on the eyes. No wonder they hate capitalism, they're obviously too lazy to lift a finger. I'd hate it too if I didn't have a working bone in my body.
 
Antifa groups directly advocate violence and "don't apologize" when violence breaks out at their rallies.[52] "Their methods are often violent and Antifa leaders admit they're willing to physically attack anyone who employs violence against them or who condones racism – as long as force is used in the name of eradicating hatred."[53] As one Antifa leader explained, "You have to put your body in the way… and you have to make it speak in the language that they understand. And sometimes that is violence."[54]


Antifascists rationalize their violent actions as "defensive." They argue, "Hate speech against vulnerable minorities… leads to violence against vulnerable minorities."[55]


From an interesting website called Influence Watch. I like that they provide source for their commentary. Antifa

Antifa groups have one unifying feature, "tracking and countering fascists and white supremacists." [41] Otherwise, the lack of hierarchy means that each local Antifa chapter decides what causes they choose to fight against. [42] These include, but are by no means limited to:


  • "Other Radical right-wing forces"
  • Anti-immigrant movements
  • The Patriot movement
  • The militia movement
  • Islamophobes
  • Men's Rights Activists[43]
The term Antifa is currently used to define a broad group of people whose political beliefs lean toward the left, often the extreme left, who engage in aggressive protests against right-wing and center-right political groups.[8] Antifa's protest methods are often violent, and local leaders admit they're willing to physically attack anyone who employs violence against them or who "condones racism," as the Antifa demonstrators define it.[9]

Antifa claim inspiration from 1930s-era extreme-left-wing German street protesters opposed to the rising Nazi regime.[14] Modern "black bloc" Antifa resurfaced in the 1980s, again allegedly to oppose neo-fascist skinhead movements.[15]

The movement first entered the American stage as Anti-Racist Action, a network that originated in 1987 with the "Baldies," an organization in Minneapolis, leading to the creation of other groups across the country to fight neo-Nazis.[16] After a relatively dormant period, large numbers of Antifa activists appeared in the United States at anti-World Trade Organization protests in 1999 in Seattle, and then more recently during the Occupy Wall Street movement. [17] Donald Trump's success in the 2016 campaign and resulting Presidency has seen "explosive growth" in Antifa membership and a surge in violent activity.[18]

It's hard to get a handle on AntiFA because they are so decentralized. However, when I have been able to find direct quotes, such as when they protested Milo in Berkeley, they have been full of recommendations for violence and their rationalization of such. There's no doubt the "official" position of their leaders is violence in service to their cause. -bb (sorry, I can't get the italics to turn off. :rolleyes:)

They call themselves social justice warriors because they are "correcting" what they perceive as wrong. The problem is that it's entirely misdirected. The reason it's entirely misdirected is because illiterate people are being brainwashed and indoctrinated in our education system and through various forms of media.
The issue is that these people don't know what the difference is between legal migration and illegal migration is. They don't know the difference between a patriot and a racist. They don't know the true definition of fascism and they have a very distorted perception of the history of this country. They are extremely ignorant of the fact that many people legally migrated here from other countries, believe in the American way of life, believe in the Constitution and have fought for it. That applies to Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, Native Americans and others right along with Whites...
They refuse to accept the WHY. Why we have laws? It's not to punish outside people. It's to protect the people that are here. The "American" way of life won't be so American anymore if we are overrun by other country's populations. If everyone in this country all jumped on a boat and traveled to say, Spain, at what point is it no longer Spain?

If you want to live in this country, you have to accept the foundation of what this country is about...otherwise be prepared to fight. There is nothing stopping these people from buying a one-way plane ticket to wherever and living their socialist dream. But there are a lot of people from various ethnic backgrounds that live here because they believe in America. Many are my friends. Some are also my family. I fight for them.
 
It looks like you mistook my sharing some links for making some type of argument. Happy to be the straw man for you if that is what you need.

No need to take it personally, bub.

One clown makes a comment, you back him up... My response was to both of you or anyone else who thinks that ''report" has any substance beyond a simple diciplinary action against a single individual.

The facts stand on their own here. No ''straw man" is necessary.

Thanks for playing;)
 
As far as violence, A driver in a car killed someone on the east coast, and the max stabber was a follower of Patriot prayer or proud boys, or both. As misguided as he was, he was allowed to march and protest with them.

PP was not involved with Charlottesville.
PB may have had some members present. Not 100% sure, but again as a whole, as an organization they are not involved with White Supremacists.

The max stabber was not a member of PB

He TRIED to March with PP, but was force to LEAVE when he started with the Nazi salutes, etc. There is VIDEO of this on YouTube. He was confronted by several people and made to leave.

PB has chapters across the US and EU.
The fact that only a handful of members have been shown to also support white supremacy, out of all those members... And the groups official disavowal of those ideologies... Goes a long way to disproving the label.
 
Two big things folks get into "trouble" when discussing topics :
Cherry Picking facts...
And Blanket Statements...

I have no doubt that if you look long and hard enough , you can dig up dirt on anyone or any group.
That said you need to look at the group or person as a whole..And see if they consistently live up to the dirt...so to speak.

As for Blanket Statements....While they may contain a element of truth at times...many more times , they do not speak for all , who are part of a particular group.
Andy
 
They call themselves social justice warriors because they are "correcting" what they perceive as wrong. The problem is that it's entirely misdirected. The reason it's entirely misdirected is because illiterate people are being brainwashed and indoctrinated in our education system and through various forms of media.
The issue is that these people don't know what the difference is between legal migration and illegal migration is. They don't know the difference between a patriot and a racist. They don't know the true definition of fascism and they have a very distorted perception of the history of this country. They are extremely ignorant of the fact that many people legally migrated here from other countries, believe in the American way of life, believe in the Constitution and have fought for it. That applies to Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, Native Americans and others right along with Whites...
They refuse to accept the WHY. Why we have laws? It's not to punish outside people. It's to protect the people that are here. The "American" way of life won't be so American anymore if we are overrun by other country's populations. If everyone in this country all jumped on a boat and traveled to say, Spain, at what point is it no longer Spain?

If you want to live in this country, you have to accept the foundation of what this country is about...otherwise be prepared to fight. There is nothing stopping these people from buying a one-way plane ticket to wherever and living their socialist dream. But there are a lot of people from various ethnic backgrounds that live here because they believe in America. Many are my friends. Some are also my family. I fight for them.

Wow! The info I passed on prompted that?

Good rant but are we still talking Antifa, or libs in general? How did illegal immigration tie in? Or is that separate from thoughts about Antifa?
 
Two big things folks get into "trouble" when discussing topics :
Cherry Picking facts...
And Blanket Statements...

I have no doubt that if you look long and hard enough , you can dig up dirt on anyone or any group.
That said you need to look at the group or person as a whole..And see if they consistently live up to the dirt...so to speak.

As for Blanket Statements....While they may contain a element of truth at times...many more times , they do not speak for all , who are part of a particular group.
Andy

You put out a lot of good, truthful posts, this is one of your best, IMO.
 
:confused: I'm still trying to get my head around any group being so ignorant of, and oblivious to, the fact that they're exercising their rights to bear arms, speak, and associate....
.... to protest those that are rallying in support of the very Document that recognizes their right to bear those arms, speak their speeches, and hang out with their fellow travelers. :rolleyes:

As we seem to have gone through the "looking glass" now;
Perhaps we could have them "red-flagged" for carrying those scawwy weapons, just to see their heads pop when they are put in position of getting their proggy lawyers to defend their Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms. :eek:
 
well, as Andy said, blanket statements do not speak for all, so apparently these left wingers are not all concerned with repealing gun rights. The fact that a socialist rifle association exists kinda proves that there are many liberal issues and different points of view that exist.
 

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