10 dead 39 wounded at colorado theater shooting

[theguncrank]

Oh, let's not go there. There is no evidence to link this to some Machiavellian plot involving the UN arms trade treaty. That kind of speculation doesn't accomplish a thing.

...I thought the UN WAS a Machiavellian plot

 

[Sept29th1985]

I'm kind of at a complete loss at what the world is coming to. I'm a fierce defender of our second amendment rights, a cwp holder, a hunter, a member of the NRA, but at the same time am not completely against advancing gun control. The problem with that whole matter is, you give an inch, they want a yard. I think the bans are completely ridiculous. And a waiting period obviously doesn't help (ie the Virginia campus murderer purchased his hand guns a month apart) but I think there has to be some kind of extended background/medical/psych tests that can be developed. The guy in Virginia had been diagnosed medically as unstable. Who knows if an extended waiting period for this guy would have helped, my guess is probably not with the scary amount of preparation he put into it, or if a full scale medical evaluation would have deemed him unstable. But maybe some sort of extended evaluation other than checking boxes that say "I have not been deemed mentally defective, I am not an unlawful user of marijuana" followe by a background check for previous crimes could prevent even a few of these obviously unstable evil people from the truly heartbreaking events.

I'd have no problem waiting longer for that new gun if a more effective waiting period/background check were somehow developed. Sure I'd love to have that shiny new Sig the second I pay for it, but my beat up old Springfield 1911 will protect me and my family just as well while I wait.

Just some thoughts keeping me up tonight. Entirely fed up with hearing about these tragic evens of spineless, heartless killers. Just wish there was actually something that could be done.

Thanks!

 

[Burt Gummer]

Wonder if he can be tried as an enemy combatant since he was all suited up and such, at least he won't have rights then.....

No, you have to be brown skinned and from the Middle East; preferably a goat herder or a cab driver. A maniac who kills a bunch of people in a theater doesn't qualify.

 

[Burt Gummer]

For the UN Gun Treaty conspiracy theory crowd: Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged

Well, we'll know if he is killed in the next few days. When a stooge is used for a purpose they are usually executed before any information can be extracted. Also, if he doesn't know why he did it, can't remember, etc; those are also signs of a pigeon.

Anyone who thinks it isn't possible to take a 'normal' person and turn them into a killer has not done much research. Advanced mind control is a reality and could make anyone here strut around like a chicken. Maybe throw in a bauk bauk or two. Every possibility is just that, a possibility.

 

[FourTeeFive]

I think there has to be some kind of extended background/medical/psych tests that can be developed.

We're talking the US government here. They are incapable of doing anything effectively.

 

[sandman1212]

I'm kind of at a complete loss at what the world is coming to. I'm a fierce defender of our second amendment rights, a cwp holder, a hunter, a member of the NRA, but at the same time am not completely against advancing gun control. The problem with that whole matter is, you give an inch, they want a yard. I think the bans are completely ridiculous. And a waiting period obviously doesn't help (ie the Virginia campus murderer purchased his hand guns a month apart) but I think there has to be some kind of extended background/medical/psych tests that can be developed. The guy in Virginia had been diagnosed medically as unstable. Who knows if an extended waiting period for this guy would have helped, my guess is probably not

Gun control will never be the answer!!! If a crazy is bent on doing a terrible deed, they don't care where the weapons come from, legally or illegally! More gun control only hurts the law abiding citizen, we pay for criminals misdeeds with our money, time and family! There is no miracle test that tells you that Fred is going to crack next week so don't sell him a gun/knife/hammer/car/box knife and the list goes on. the best defense is to have as many sheep dogs out there as possible, eliminating the "defense free zones" and putting a bullet in the bubble-gumming crazies that want to perpetrate these acts...preferably before an innocent gets hurt!

 

[gunfreak]

Three bad things for gun owners will come from this.
Hi-cap magazine ban
Limited ammo purchases
Limited number of firearms bought in a certain time frame
The liberal media is keying in on all these points.
What they should concentrate on is the fact that a couple ccw guys in the theater would have stopped this quack immediately.

 

[Dave Workman]

I'm ...not completely against advancing gun control. The problem with that whole matter is, you give an inch, they want a yard. ...I think there has to be some kind of extended background/medical/psych tests that can be developed.

And what would you suggest? Invasion of medical privacy by the FBI? A mental health test requirement that would be prone to failing as many people as possible?
Just how much of your personal privacy are you willing to surrender?

We are, after all, talking about a constitutionally protected, fundamental civil right.
Remember what happened to the voting rights tests back in the Deep South to prevent blacks from voting.

I'd have no problem waiting longer for that new gun if a more effective waiting period/background check were somehow developed. Sure I'd love to have that shiny new Sig the second I pay for it, but my beat up old Springfield 1911 will protect me and my family just as well while I wait.

Well, I'd have no problem with you waiting longer, either.

For myself, however, I have a serious problem with that. I'm not a criminal, I confine insults to people who have earned them bluelaugh, pay my bills and taxes, and have this crazy notion that it is nobody's business if I own a gun, carry one, how many, or where I keep them, and it is certainly none of the government's business.

My medical records are between me and the doctor. As for a psyche test...anybody who gets into journalism is demonstrably crazy in the first place, so nooooo, I'm not up to that one, either.

 

[JackThompson]

Being molested by the TSA doesn't make me feel safer flying, and having to tell the guy at the gun shop that I obsessively count things like telephone poles and floor tiles when I'm walking, or that I like porn isn't going to make me feel like less crazy people have access to guns.

 

[JackThompson]

Darn language filter.

Bubblegum the bubblegumming bubblegummers...

 

[MikeE]

I'm kind of at a complete loss at what the world is coming to. I'm a fierce defender of our second amendment rights, a cwp holder, a hunter, a member of the NRA, but at the same time am not completely against advancing gun control. The problem with that whole matter is, you give an inch, they want a yard. I think the bans are completely ridiculous. And a waiting period obviously doesn't help (ie the Virginia campus murderer purchased his hand guns a month apart) but I think there has to be some kind of extended background/medical/psych tests that can be developed. The guy in Virginia had been diagnosed medically as unstable. Who knows if an extended waiting period for this guy would have helped, my guess is probably not with the scary amount of preparation he put into it, or if a full scale medical evaluation would have deemed him unstable. But maybe some sort of extended evaluation other than checking boxes that say "I have not been deemed mentally defective, I am not an unlawful user of marijuana" followe by a background check for previous crimes could prevent even a few of these obviously unstable evil people from the truly heartbreaking events.

I'd have no problem waiting longer for that new gun if a more effective waiting period/background check were somehow developed. Sure I'd love to have that shiny new Sig the second I pay for it, but my beat up old Springfield 1911 will protect me and my family just as well while I wait.

Just some thoughts keeping me up tonight. Entirely fed up with hearing about these tragic evens of spineless, heartless killers. Just wish there was actually something that could be done.

Thanks!

You bring up some good points. I do not think the 'gun control' route will have any effect whatsoever on these events, for reasons others have already well-stated. However, I think we could have a very positive effect on reducing these types of events by having health care available for everyone, including quality mental health care. We know that a combination of medication, therapy, and real community connection does work to help people suffering from psychosis. The tools are there, and anyone who says 'there will always be crazy people' doesn't know what they are talking about and is actually contributing to the problem. Real humane treatment is being rationed by a predatory for-profit health care industry, and cut backs in government support.This is costing lives.

 

[Bigfoot]

You bring up some good points. I do not think the 'gun control' route will have any effect whatsoever on these events, for reasons others have already well-stated. However, I think we could have a very positive effect on reducing these types of events by having health care available for everyone, including quality mental health care. We know that a combination of medication, therapy, and real community connection does work to help people suffering from psychosis. The tools are there, and anyone who says 'there will always be crazy people' doesn't know what they are talking about and is actually contributing to the problem. Real humane treatment is being rationed by a predatory for-profit health care industry, and cut backs in government support.This is costing lives.

Quality health care and mental health screening by who? Ever been to a VA hospital? Read some horror stories about Britain's health care system, IF they can get admitted it isn't uncommon for patients to die of thirst while waiting for care.

If a Government central authority decides who gets treatment and drugs can you sue them for malpractice? What's your plan for recourse?

 

[Dave Workman]

In wake of Aurora, gun control lines being drawn

The New York Times supports it, so do the Washington Post and Hartford Courant, but the Washington Times does not and so far, the Seattle Times has been silent; gun control is back in the spotlight in the wake of the Batman massacre in Aurora, Colo.

<broken link removed>

 

[MikeE]

Quality health care and mental health screening by who? Ever been to a VA hospital? Read some horror stories about Britain's health care system, IF they can get admitted it isn't uncommon for patients to die of thirst while waiting for care.

If a Government central authority decides who gets treatment and drugs can you sue them for malpractice? What's your plan for recourse?

Actually, i am quite familiar with the public mental health care system available locally, which literally saved my son's life. My problem is that he was one of the lucky few. The phony arguments about government control and the so called 'British health care system' are just so much right-wing blather.
Would you rather put psychotic folks through the revolving door of jail at the public cost of god knows how much, and how many ruined lives, as we just saw in Colorado, or get folks the help they frickin need?

 

[FourTeeFive]

The Virginia Tech shooter had a history of mental illness, but of course he didn't answer that question honestly on his form when he legally bought the gun. So what is the solution?

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Oh, let's not go there. There is no evidence to link this to some Machiavellian plot involving the UN arms trade treaty. That kind of speculation doesn't accomplish a thing.

At this point I won't "go there" as far as saying it is true but the reality is this has happened all too often at a convenient time. The USA, Russia and Great Britian have possessed literal brainwashing machines for decades, (It's been reported in the mainstream media) well preceeding the Patrick Purdy Cali shooting while "assault weapons" bills were pending in the assembly

 

[Bunny]

Crimes committed by mentally unstable, dangerous people isn't a gun problem IMO. There shouldn't be any blame placed on the gun or who sold it or any discussion about gun rights in relation to this case. 100% responsibility and blame should be placed on the criminal. Not his mental state either, just him. I agree with whoever said earlier that we need to stop making excuses for these types of criminals. When the heck did we buy into the notion that a person who harms other people isn't really bad?.... that it's just their brain that is, or their mental state is. Come on people..... It's one in the same. A person who is so unfit and dangerous to society that they harm other people or themselves IS A BAD PERSON, and has zero place in society. We shouldn't be wasting our time or resources on these types of people.

What I get tired of just as much as these atrocities, are the excuses people make on the killer's behalf because they're too chicken bubblegum or PC or whatever to deliver real justice and do what needs to be done to make the world a safer place. And because of this, horrible things like this shooting keep happening. We should have zero tolerance for these kinds of criminals. If found undeniably guilty of their crime, they should be made an example of and eliminated. Protect the good and functional people of society, save taxpayer money, clean up the gene pool, and get rid of these dangerous people.

 

[MikeE]

Crimes committed by mentally unstable, dangerous people isn't a gun problem IMO. There shouldn't be any blame placed on the gun or who sold it or any discussion about gun rights in relation to this case. 100% responsibility and blame should be placed on the criminal. Not his mental state either, just him. I agree with whoever said earlier that we need to stop making excuses for these types of criminals. When the heck did we buy into the notion that a person who harms other people isn't really bad?.... that it's just their brain that is, or their mental state is. Come on people..... It's one in the same. A person who is so unfit and dangerous to society that they harm other people or themselves IS A BAD PERSON, and has zero place in society. We shouldn't be wasting our time or resources on these types of people.

What I get tired of just as much as these atrocities, are the excuses people make on the killer's behalf because they're too chicken bubblegum or PC or whatever to deliver real justice and do what needs to be done to make the world a safer place. And because of this, horrible things like this shooting keep happening. We should have zero tolerance for these kinds of criminals. If found undeniably guilty of their crime, they should be made an example of and eliminated. Protect the good and functional people of society, save taxpayer money, clean up the gene pool, and get rid of these dangerous people.

We already have zero tolerance for these types of crimes. Do you think this guy's scared of the death penalty? Oh please. The issue is prevention. After the crime happens it's too late.

 

[Bunny]

We already have zero tolerance for these types of crimes. Do you think this guy's scared of the death penalty? Oh please. The issue is prevention. After the crime happens it's too late.

Really? So that's why we locked up Charles Manson for so long, and continue to add more murderers and rapists, and child molesters to the prisons? That's why we tolerate multiple offenders like Sandusky? And have 3 strike laws? Because we have zero tolerance for the scum of society? Ah.... Ok....

What type of prevention do you suggest?.... That doesn't punish the rest of society?

 

[Sept29th1985]

I understand your points and frustrations, and I guess my only thought is there has to be something that can be done to help weed out these crazies. The guy in Virginia was deemed mentally unstable. Do you want that kind of guy walking in and buying a glock? I used to be pissed before I got my cwp when I'd have to wait for what seemed like forever for them to clear my perfectly clean background. I agree that there's probably no real chance of fair, real advancements with the reminders from our past, all that I'm trying to say is theres always give and take with everything, and I'd much rather see a stricter screening process than another liberal fiasco of ridiculous guns and parts ban that doesn't do a damn thing except cause headaches and frustration. Because you know that's the only direction these types are going to go. I don't want an AR-Ranch rifle loaded from the top with a 30 inch barrel.