10 dead 39 wounded at colorado theater shooting

[Chee-to]

this wack job could have loaded up his car or truck with fertilizer, rammed the theatre or parked out side and detonated it and killed more people than he did. The guns have nothing to do with it.

If someone is intent on mass destruction, you are not going to stop it unless you are lucky.

The moral decay of society and complete lack of the value for human life continues to escalate.

I can't comment further, not allowed on this forum....

Ya nailed it !!

 

[Bunny]

The issue here is this gunman's total disregard for human life. I'm not sure taking another one, adding to the 12 that have already died, will help preserve the sanctity of life. Besides, would you rather he die or rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life? It seems like killing him gives him the easy way out.

You do know many out there will launch an assault on our gun rights because of this, don't you? Do you really think killing this guy will shut them up? No way! They're going to want much more than that. They want to prevent something like this from happening again. And let's be honest—so do we! We need to work with them on this if our interests are going to be protected. That's why I say we sit this guy down, analyze the hell out of him, and find out where things went wrong. Once we've done that, we can start looking at our options. One thing is certain: nothing good will come from swift action—be it executing the guy or reforming gun legislation.

I don't agree with you. Dangerous criminals who are locked up for life produce nothing, are of no use, and are a drain and an unnecessary burden on society. Housing them, caring for them, providing food, medical treatment, education, and anything else isn't punishment. It's a free ride. Not one cent of tax payer money should be spent on them. If you or anyone else care to donate your money to these criminals and pay to keep them alive, you're more than welcome to. Otherwise, I say cut them off and let God sort them out. Society as a whole should not be wasting it's precious time worrying about the welfare of those who seek to destroy it.

Sanctity of life.... Sorry, but I don't believe there is anything holy or God-like about a person who murders 12 and harms 70.

And I don't really care what a bunch of anti-gun nitwits think. I care about pragmatism, justice, what's right and best for the good people of this country. Even though what happened can't be undone, I hope justice is served going forward and there is one less nutjob in the world.

On preventative measures.... I don't know how you can realistically prevent the unpredictable. But I think theaters could start by having better security. Having people who are trained to be aware and keep an eye on the exits and grounds and watch for any suspicious behavior. Maybe even armed security. I heard Obama make some comment about how his daughters go to movies, when he was talking about safety and what happened. And I thought to myself, his daughters are escorted by armed security. I think it's so hypocritical that he sends armed men out to protect his family, but does everything in his power to send the message that American Dads shouldn't have the right to arm themselves and protect their Daughters when they're out at the movies or anywhere else. That other parents and American's shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves or their loved ones and make sure they're safe when they go out.

 

[Glockman19]

I don't agree with you. Dangerous criminals who are locked up for life produce nothing, are of no use, and are a drain and an unnecessary burden on society. Housing them, caring for them, providing food, medical treatment, education, and anything else isn't punishment. It's a free ride. Not one cent of tax payer money should be spent on them. If you or anyone else care to donate your money to these criminals and pay to keep them alive, you're more than welcome to. Otherwise, I say cut them off and let God sort them out. Society as a whole should not be wasting it's precious time worrying about the welfare of those who seek to destroy it.

Sanctity of life.... Sorry, but I don't believe there is anything holy or God-like about a person who murders 12 and harms 70.

And I don't really care what a bunch of anti-gun nitwits think. I care about pragmatism, justice, what's right and best for the good people of this country. Even though what happened can't be undone, I hope justice is served going forward and there is one less nutjob in the world.

On preventative measures.... I don't know how you can realistically prevent the unpredictable. But I think theaters could start by having better security. Having people who are trained to be aware and keep an eye on the exits and grounds and watch for any suspicious behavior. Maybe even armed security. I heard Obama make some comment about how his daughters go to movies, when he was talking about safety and what happened. And I thought to myself, his daughters are escorted by armed security. I think it's so hypocritical that he sends armed men out to protect his family, but does everything in his power to send the message that American Dads shouldn't have the right to arm themselves and protect their Daughters when they're out at the movies or anywhere else. That other parents and American's shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves or their loved ones and make sure they're safe when they go out.

+1 Very Well Said Bunny

 

[Kevatc]

He was armored up. Ballistic helmet, vest, throat protector, groin protector, ballistic leggings. Looks like all he gave you was a face shot and he's dressed in all black, in the dark with gas messing up your vision. Tough to plan against or stop a smart, evil guy.

I was giving this some serious thought today. It's likely the only decent shot would be the face. I was also thinking that perhaps shooting a foot/ankle might at least put the shooter on the ground making him less mobile and hopefully less lethal.

 

[FortRock]

I was giving this some serious thought today. It's likely the only decent shot would be the face. I was also thinking that perhaps shooting a foot/ankle might at least put the shooter on the ground making him less mobile and hopefully less lethal.

This was too well planned and too well timed. We need an investigation that is totally detatched from Eric Holder. The equipment this guy had was way to advanced. Also, it took months of preperation, planning, and timing. Read Hell to Pay by Barbara Olson. HIllary....Barack....Eric Holder. Follow the money.

 

[Swedish K]

I'll bet that Texas makes the death penalty a money saver for their state. There's a lot I don't care for regarding Texas, but in the case of the death penalty and their willingness to use it, I applaud them.

You mean the TX express lane for death row? Sound concept - if there is no question that they are guilty (DNA/video proof/admission of guilt with evidence... they go to the front of the line and fast track cases usually are done and executed within 5 years. At least it reduces over crowding... not like CA where you are something like 87% more likely to die of natural causes on the row than to be executed.

 

[MarkAd]

"I can only say this is what happens when you turn from God."

I want to make clear one thing. I made this statement in reference to the evil in the heart and mind of the murderer.

I would never blame, as some seem to suggest, the victims of anything since I know none of them.

My sincere apologies for the confusion. I forgot y'all aren't in my head or know my heart.

 

[lamrith]

I just heard a comment from someone elsewhere that his AR jammed and he had to switch weapons which made him stop? Has anyone heard this or seen it reported from any news source or is it anti gun heresay being spread?

 

[Chee-to]

This was too well planned and too well timed. We need an investigation that is totally detatched from Eric Holder. The equipment this guy had was way to advanced. Also, it took months of preperation, planning, and timing. Read Hell to Pay by Barbara Olson. HIllary....Barack....Eric Holder. Follow the money.

Looks like he bought the vest on line, not that expensive or that advanced..........
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.town...-11e1-a574-0019bb30f31a/500a1767ec2b1.pdf.pdf

 

[Blitzkrieg]

I'll get launched on here if I mention a particular telling aspect of the identity of this fellow, something he has in common with most modern spree shooters.. do your own research

 

[lamrith]

That vest is not even armored, just heavy duty with carrying pouches. A CCW could definitely have countered him and saved lives.

 

[Kevatc]

This was too well planned and too well timed. We need an investigation that is totally detatched from Eric Holder. The equipment this guy had was way to advanced. Also, it took months of preperation, planning, and timing. Read Hell to Pay by Barbara Olson. HIllary....Barack....Eric Holder. Follow the money.

Ugh. I just want to vomit. Why are you politicizing a tragedy???? I have some comments and words that would embarass a longshoreman about you politicizing this. Disgusting.

 

[Kevatc]

I'll get launched on here if I mention a particular telling aspect of the identity of this fellow, something he has in common with most modern spree shooters.. do your own research

Other than being male I am not sure what you're getting at.

 

[mance]

Housing them, caring for them, providing food, medical treatment, education, and anything else isn't punishment.

Be that as it may, some of the things you listed are protected by the Constitution:

"The Eight Amendment's prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment requires that prisoners be provided with medical care and that deliberate indifference by prison personnel to a prisoner's serious illness or injury violates the Eighth Amendment."—Estelle v. Gamble (1976)

It's a free ride.

Is it? I thought your Measure 17 required Oregon prisoners to work 20-40 hours per week. Is it not that effective? I know very little about it, to be perfectly honest.

 

[jsrykken]

The point here is this person has demonstrated clearly his basic worthlessness. He does not belong in human society. The best thing for him and the rest of us is immediate trial, conviction and execution. He is not, as the media always say, the "alleged" shooter. The entire earth knows he did this. Our Constitution is not a suicide pact for the legal system.We should not have to act as if due process is so sacred that we must search for witnesses and and examine motives and then drag this thing out in a long lasting court brawl. The man did it. He must die immediately. And we need to grow a pair when these things happen, and execute these monsters quickly. Get it done. Then maybe the message will sink in, after a decade or so.

 

[jbett98]

Not to trivialize this tragedy, but just look up the charts for drunk driver related deaths in the US over the past thirty years.
They have fallen steadily year to year, but that could be automobiles are far safer today then years past.
If all of these related deaths by drunk drivers happened on one day, the media would be all over it, people would be clamoring the government for stricter safety controls on all autos (mandatory breathalyzers, harsher sentences for violators, etc, etc.)
Should we execute all drunk driver offenders instead of prison time.

In 2009 there were 33,808 automobile fatalities. 12,744 were alcohol related. That's 38 percent overall

 

[iusmc2002]

I was giving this some serious thought today. It's likely the only decent shot would be the face. I was also thinking that perhaps shooting a foot/ankle might at least put the shooter on the ground making him less mobile and hopefully less lethal.

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Why the face? Even with "groin protection", the groin/hips is a VERY effective place to shoot someone. There is so much stuff happening in that area of the body, balance, lots of blood. If nothing else, shots to the groin lay them down long enough for you to locate, close with and destroy him, or at least disarm him. If you've ever had to snap-shoot someone with the lame M4/M16, you know the first round doesn't usually kill, and from the knees to the belly button is a very large target.

 

[Burt Gummer]

That vest is not even armored, just heavy duty with carrying pouches. A CCW could definitely have countered him and saved lives.

No kidding. That $106 vest might as well have fishing lures attached to it.

News is reporting it as a ballistic armored vest. Most likely to get real ballistic vests out of the hands of civilians.

 

[Kevatc]

the

Why the face? Even with "groin protection", the groin/hips is a VERY effective place to shoot someone. There is so much stuff happening in that area of the body, balance, lots of blood. If nothing else, shots to the groin lay them down long enough for you to locate, close with and destroy him, or at least disarm him. If you've ever had to snap-shoot someone with the lame M4/M16, you know the first round doesn't usually kill, and from the knees to the belly button is a very large target.

When I made my post I was not aware that all the gear he had on wasn't the real meal deal stuff. Knowing what I know now I would agree with you. And, I guess in the heat of that moment it wouldn't matter if was reall stuff or not. If the shooter is focused on not getting shot then he isn't focused on other people and that's a good thing from where I sit.

 

[Riot]

I was giving this some serious thought today. It's likely the only decent shot would be the face. I was also thinking that perhaps shooting a foot/ankle might at least put the shooter on the ground making him less mobile and hopefully less lethal.

Shot to the hip...also known as the "Pelvic Girdle"

If you miss low you may hit a leg or the ground. If you do hit the groin protector it still wont feel all that great against the boys and only protects straight on.



From the side I would probably go for the hip and arm pit. If he wasn't wearing a throat protector I would suggest the fatal triangle as well.