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We already have zero tolerance for these types of crimes. Do you think this guy's scared of the death penalty? Oh please. The issue is prevention. After the crime happens it's too late.
so Zero Tolerance means that a twice convicted child rapist can be set free to do his deeds again in a restaurant or a killer can be let out early for good behavior, just to kill again or a mentally disturbed person can be set free because he did not know what he was doing. All of these types of people should not get a chance to ruin other lives, or cost our nations citizens a dime more. Save the room for someone that may learn a lesson!
 
Crimes committed by mentally unstable, dangerous people isn't a gun problem IMO. There shouldn't be any blame placed on the gun or who sold it or any discussion about gun rights in relation to this case. 100% responsibility and blame should be placed on the criminal. Not his mental state either, just him. I agree with whoever said earlier that we need to stop making excuses for these types of criminals. When the heck did we buy into the notion that a person who harms other people isn't really bad?.... that it's just their brain that is, or their mental state is. Come on people..... It's one in the same. A person who is so unfit and dangerous to society that they harm other people or themselves IS A BAD PERSON, and has zero place in society. We shouldn't be wasting our time or resources on these types of people.

What I get tired of just as much as these atrocities, are the excuses people make on the killer's behalf because they're too chicken bubblegum or PC or whatever to deliver real justice and do what needs to be done to make the world a safer place. And because of this, horrible things like this shooting keep happening. We should have zero tolerance for these kinds of criminals. If found undeniably guilty of their crime, they should be made an example of and eliminated. Protect the good and functional people of society, save taxpayer money, clean up the gene pool, and get rid of these dangerous people.

The issue here is this gunman's total disregard for human life. I'm not sure taking another one, adding to the 12 that have already died, will help preserve the sanctity of life. Besides, would you rather he die or rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life? It seems like killing him gives him the easy way out.

You do know many out there will launch an assault on our gun rights because of this, don't you? Do you really think killing this guy will shut them up? No way! They're going to want much more than that. They want to prevent something like this from happening again. And let's be honest—so do we! We need to work with them on this if our interests are going to be protected. That's why I say we sit this guy down, analyze the hell out of him, and find out where things went wrong. Once we've done that, we can start looking at our options. One thing is certain: nothing good will come from swift action—be it executing the guy or reforming gun legislation.
 
Do you think this guy's scared of the death penalty? Oh please. The issue is prevention. After the crime happens it's too late.
You are correct, after the crime it IS too late, Scared or not his sentence should be death...no future cost for the tax payer, more space to alleviate overcrowding, 0% chance he will commit again and the strongest lesson for encouragement to keep working on getting mental help BEFORE committing a crime, when the counseling might help and no innocent people are harmed!

Ask the mother in the hospital in a Comma about what her thoughts are, right after you tell her that her six year old daughter was killed by the same man that put her in the hospital.

Killers and rapists are the worst kind of scum and they need to be eradicated rather than reformed, you, sir, are correct, After the crime happens it's too late.
 
The issue here is this gunman's total disregard for human life. I'm not sure taking another one, adding to the 12 that have already died, will help preserve the sanctity of life. Besides, would you rather he die or rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life? It seems like killing him gives him the easy way out.

Die...I would rather not pay for this scum to live out his life. His disregard for the "sanctity of life" should buy him a ticket to the morgue!
 
Die...I would rather not pay for this scum to live out his life. His disregard for the "sanctity of life" should buy him a ticket to the morgue!

"An Urban Institute study of Maryland's experience with the death penalty found that a single death-penalty trial cost $1.9 million more than a non-death-penalty trial. Since 1978, the cost to taxpayers for the five executions the state carried out was $37.2 million dollars — each."

Just or Not, Cost of Death Penalty Is a Killer for State Budgets | Fox News

So, you'd rather pay the millions upfront? :s0114:
 
In wake of Aurora, gun control lines being drawn

The New York Times supports it, so do the Washington Post and Hartford Courant, but the Washington Times does not and so far, the Seattle Times has been silent; gun control is back in the spotlight in the wake of the Batman massacre in Aurora, Colo.

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That's a interesting post, because if the Washington Post wants gun control, what will happen to the owner of that news outlets, son's company? The company being Kahr Arms and all the other businesses it owns.....
 
So, you'd rather pay the millions upfront? :s0114:

If he must get a trial...Yes, In the long run, housing, feeding, clothing, providing medical care for etc will cost more for society than executing them.

The article does not break down the costs, just throws out some figures. I do not believe most of the spewage that comes from many of the "news" sources.
This bubblegum is known guilty, a $.35 .45 bullet to the head will do just fine, heck, I will even donate a box and save the state some money.

So in your attached article I quote: "But no state matches the dilemma of California, where almost 700 inmates are sitting on death row and, according to Natasha Minsker, author of a new report by the Northern California chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, few will ever actually be put to death. In fact, she says, the odds against being executed are so great, murder suspects in California actually seek the death penalty because it is the only way to get a single room in the state's prison system."

This must be where the associated costs come from, keeping them on death row. IF the sentence was carried out immediately, it would save a LOT of money
 
What type of prevention do you suggest?.... That doesn't punish the rest of society?

Excellent question Bunny. I'm also waiting for an answer. Some here would trust a government mental health panel to decide who can/can't own guns and do it sans ulterior motives. Can't see a potential problem there.

Although I agree that crazies can't be trusted with firearms, if THIS GUY was denied the LEGAL ownership of guns wouldn't he just get them on the black market like most other murderers do?

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Three bad things for gun owners will come from this.
Hi-cap magazine ban
Limited ammo purchases
Limited number of firearms bought in a certain time frame
The liberal media is keying in on all these points.
What they should concentrate on is the fact that a couple ccw guys in the theater would have stopped this quack immediately.

I agree.

The 3-second pause to swap out a shorter magazine more often would have made little to no difference.

He probably fired off less than 75-100 rounds in 60 to 90 seconds. So what difference does it make if the guy was able to purchase 600, 6000, or 60,000 rounds?

He had three guns. If he had 20 guns in a wheelbarrow it wouldn't have made much difference.

100% agree that CCW guys were the only hope. Unfortunately, out of sheer ignorance, they will ban concealed carry in new places such as theaters and malls at some point. A potential victim's only real hope.

It makes me wonder what the media stories would have been like if a CCW person killed this shooter dead in the first ten seconds of his rampage and saved the day. The CCW person would be marginalized I am sure.
 
IF the sentence was carried out immediately, it would save a LOT of money

"An average capital-eligible case in which the death sentence was not sought costs Maryland
taxpayers more than $1.1 million over the life of the case - $870,000 in prison costs and
$250,000 in adjudication costs.

"An average capital-eligible case with a death notice costs the taxpayers of Maryland about
$1.8 million. In other words, each case with a death notice filing costs $670,000 more than a
no-death-notice case. Current and forecasted prison costs are about the same ($950,000 per
case), but adjudication costs are more than three times greater ($850,000 per case) than in
no-death-notice cases.

"A capital-eligible case that results in a death sentence adds another $1.2 million in costs. The
total cost to the taxpayers of Maryland approximately $3 million, more than $1.9 million
more per case than a no-death-notice case. Current and forecasted prison costs are higher
for death sentence cases ($1.3 million) than no-death-notice cases, and adjudication costs
total $1.7 million."

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Three bad things for gun owners will come from this.
Hi-cap magazine ban
Limited ammo purchases
Limited number of firearms bought in a certain time frame
The liberal media is keying in on all these points.
What they should concentrate on is the fact that a couple ccw guys in the theater would have stopped this quack immediately.

The last ban didn't work why would they think a new one would. It's the Streisand effect. Gun makers couldn't give away semi-auto rifles but as soon as they were banned sales skyrocketed. The same thing will happen again.
 
"An average capital-eligible case in which the death sentence was not sought costs Maryland
taxpayers more than $1.1 million over the life of the case - $870,000 in prison costs and
$250,000 in adjudication costs.

"An average capital-eligible case with a death notice costs the taxpayers of Maryland about
$1.8 million. In other words, each case with a death notice filing costs $670,000 more than a
no-death-notice case. Current and forecasted prison costs are about the same ($950,000 per
case), but adjudication costs are more than three times greater ($850,000 per case) than in
no-death-notice cases.

"A capital-eligible case that results in a death sentence adds another $1.2 million in costs. The
total cost to the taxpayers of Maryland approximately $3 million, more than $1.9 million
more per case than a no-death-notice case. Current and forecasted prison costs are higher
for death sentence cases ($1.3 million) than no-death-notice cases, and adjudication costs
total $1.7 million."

[url]The Cost of the Death Penalty in Maryland[/URL] (Page 2)

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OK, the 1.8 Million over the life of the case is for appeals, retention of lawyers, housing, clothing feeding ect, not just the initial case. After being found guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, put them to death and save most of the $870,000 stated. In what screwed up world does a death notice filing cost $670,000?!?! If Maryland is ignorant enough to pay that, then so be it.
 
"An Urban Institute study of Maryland's experience with the death penalty found that a single death-penalty trial cost $1.9 million more than a non-death-penalty trial. Since 1978, the cost to taxpayers for the five executions the state carried out was $37.2 million dollars — each."

Just or Not, Cost of Death Penalty Is a Killer for State Budgets | Fox News

So, you'd rather pay the millions upfront? :s0114:

Or we could just get a rope. $8.99 at Home Depot for 20'. Or we could let the family do what I would want to do to him. Enough of this "civilized" BS.
 
Really? So that's why we locked up Charles Manson for so long, and continue to add more murderers and rapists, and child molesters to the prisons? That's why we tolerate multiple offenders like Sandusky? And have 3 strike laws? Because we have zero tolerance for the scum of society? Ah.... Ok....

What type of prevention do you suggest?.... That doesn't punish the rest of society?

I suggest that we build on the good parts of our public health system, including mental health, to make it available to all as a human right. That way the families around people who are experiencing psychotic breaks, who know things are going wrong, have options to get care for loved ones. Would this be perfect? No, but it would help with people who are diagnosed with problems but don't get help - like the Virginia Tech guy, the guy in Tuscon, etc...
On a situational level: From an LEO - apparently many people shot at close range with a long gun in Colorado. When someone puts a gun in your face at full extension, especially a long gun, they are now on the defensive. Practice re-directs and gun disarms.Close with the threat and screw your gun into his ear if he's armored up like this guy was. This would be a moment not to worry about lawyers and do the right thing.
 
this wack job could have loaded up his car or truck with fertilizer, rammed the theatre or parked out side and detonated it and killed more people than he did. The guns have nothing to do with it.

If someone is intent on mass destruction, you are not going to stop it unless you are lucky.

The moral decay of society and complete lack of the value for human life continues to escalate.

I can't comment further, not allowed on this forum....
 
"An average capital-eligible case in which the death sentence was not sought costs Maryland
taxpayers more than $1.1 million over the life of the case - $870,000 in prison costs and
$250,000 in adjudication costs.

"An average capital-eligible case with a death notice costs the taxpayers of Maryland about
$1.8 million. In other words, each case with a death notice filing costs $670,000 more than a
no-death-notice case. Current and forecasted prison costs are about the same ($950,000 per
case), but adjudication costs are more than three times greater ($850,000 per case) than in
no-death-notice cases.

"A capital-eligible case that results in a death sentence adds another $1.2 million in costs. The
total cost to the taxpayers of Maryland approximately $3 million, more than $1.9 million
more per case than a no-death-notice case. Current and forecasted prison costs are higher
for death sentence cases ($1.3 million) than no-death-notice cases, and adjudication costs
total $1.7 million."

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I'll bet that Texas makes the death penalty a money saver for their state. There's a lot I don't care for regarding Texas, but in the case of the death penalty and their willingness to use it, I applaud them.
 
McVey and Nichols didn't use a firearm. Look at their results

the guy who splashed a plastic bottle of gasoline on the stairs leading to a NY Disco killing 87 didn't use a firearm
Happy Land fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The guy who did this spent at least 2.5 months planning this he passed NCIC background checks Had no criminal record NO mental health issues known to any of the people around him had no criminal record of any kind. he was an over achiever on a path to become a PhD. Who on earth would suspect him of this. AHEAD OF TIME.

The guy made booby traps and BOMBS to try to kill anyone entering his apt. He could have also used that method to have killed the people in the theator.

The Act of Murder is against the law and in most cases carries either a life sentance or a sentance of death and yet people still do it. How they do it is only fodder for discussion. Not a way to stop it.

They track the ingrediants of METH the restrict the stuff its made out of. They actively hunt the labs the dealers the users. And still It would not take the average person on this forum 2 hours to find some to buy if they really wanted it.

I would bet money like the shooter in the cafeteria in Kaileen TX watched the Shooting in the Mc Donalds in San Diego on a VHS tape so many times the FBI said the image was almost gone from the tape. That this lunitic watched everything he could find on the Lunitic in The Neatherlands who bombed and shot all those people then just gave up.

its a case of monkey see monkey do. The more we make these guys celebrities the more this kind of one upmanship crime is going to happen.

And no law will stop it. They are just to make ways to cause death and suffering.
 
What sucks is that we are detaining and have tortured hundreds of innocent people 'suspected' of doing things in the last decade (Guantanamo, overseas prisons, etc), people just rounded up off the streets because of false flag backlash.

In comparison, this guy will get the white glove treatment and at every single step overseers while make sure none of his rights are violated. Psychologists will be brought in to ask him about his feelings. Would you like chicken or beef for dinner tonight sir? He will be seen as a psychologist's wet dream and they will all be lining up at the chance to touch his inner child.

That is, if he is really acting on his own accord and is still alive in a week.

Best snipple from WaketheSheeple: "The problem wasn't that the guy had a gun (though he was obviously nuts)... the problem was that no one else in the theater had a gun to stop him."
 
Plus he will be famous. Television interviews, books, maybe even women wanting to marry him and writing to him in prison. He's an instant celebrity now. There's something a lot more wrong with THAT than the fact that he was able to get his hands on a few firearms.
 

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