Why we need police

[downtown]

True and I think we are all smart to believe only half of what we read. Anyway, minor pints and I think I got us off track. Sorry.

Sorry. I only believe about half of it anyways. I find it very easy to believe that the governments numbers may have been fudged.
Sorta like the national unemployement rate around 8%...hahahahahaaa...riiiiight.

 

[downtown]

Ah you're just all stressed up. A good lynching would cheer you up.

This thread is an absolute embarrassment. There are folks posting that scream at the top of their lungs "Bill of Right's, 2A, justice, Constitution" but whose own postings suggest they could careless about those things. It's an embarrassment that in at least one case the thread got side tracked about who makes more money. It's an embarrassment that in a society where individual rights are assured by the Bill of Rights and the ideals of the Constitution are the envy of free people world wide that there are some here who could careless because "vigilante justice" is easier than trying to live up to the ideals of our founding documents. I am having a seriously hard time deciphering the difference between the hard core leftist liberal insanity and what is becoming the norm for conservative folks.

 

[JGRuby]

This thread is an absolute embarrassment. There are folks posting that scream at the top of their lungs "Bill of Right's, 2A, justice, Constitution" but whose own postings suggest they could careless about those things. It's an embarrassment that in at least one case the thread got side tracked about who makes more money. It's an embarrassment that in a society where individual rights are assured by the Bill of Rights and the ideals of the Constitution are the envy of free people world wide that there are some here who could careless because "vigilante justice" is easier than trying to live up to the ideals of our founding documents. I am having a seriously hard time deciphering the difference between the hard core leftist liberal insanity and what is becoming the norm for conservative folks.

When our laws start to protect the harmed instead of the criminal I will think differently. Our laws in most cases are to limit harm to the criminal and as in the 2nd amendment the good law abiding citizens end up most of the time being demonized.
Until these things happen, to me you are wasting your breath.

James Ruby

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Sorry. I only believe about half of it anyways. I find it very easy to believe that the governments numbers may have been fudged.
Sorta like the national unemployement rate around 8%...hahahahahaaa...riiiiight.

Since they do not count long term unemployed, the real rate may be North of 20%. We live in a true Matrix of lies and corruption

 

[downtown]

Any reasonable people would care. Or anyone that wants to be accurate. Or anyone that doesn't just spout headlines.

Who cares what $$$$$$$$$$$ tyrants pay into some system?

 

[Father of four]

This thread is an absolute embarrassment. There are folks posting that scream at the top of their lungs "Bill of Right's, 2A, justice, Constitution" but whose own postings suggest they could careless about those things. It's an embarrassment that in at least one case the thread got side tracked about who makes more money. It's an embarrassment that in a society where individual rights are assured by the Bill of Rights and the ideals of the Constitution are the envy of free people world wide that there are some here who could careless because "vigilante justice" is easier than trying to live up to the ideals of our founding documents. I am having a seriously hard time deciphering the difference between the hard core leftist liberal insanity and what is becoming the norm for conservative folks.

Well, for me I guess I am just thinking about what I see the cops and the government doing. Cops seem to act out their vigilante justice weekly. They murder people often and get off with no repercussions. The people know it! The citizens know it was a bad shoot/killing but it seems that authority thinks its OK for an officer to go ahead and kill the suspect instead of bringing them to court. That is taking justice in their own hands which equals being a vigilante. So why not let the rest of us do it? Sorta like...If the police gets to speed for no apparent reason why not let us? If the police gets to park in no parking areas when they are not in an emergency why not us? If the police gets to shoot people in the back when they are running away why not us? There are many more things the police do and get away with but the citizens would be punished for. I am not talking about official police business. The police are supposed to follow the laws right? We are supposed to follow the laws and try to live our lives like them right? Aren't they considered the finest? When they do wrong its OK it seems.

BUT....I guess there are some like you Kevatc, that thinks there needs to be double standards. Let the police do it but not the citizen who pays his check. Let the government do what it wants and let the citizens obey. I am ashamed of people like you Kevatc that gets on here and fights against us who want freedom for all citizens, who wants the United States governments to abide by the Constitution and not bully the citizens with all their rules and regulations or money making schemes. I am ashamed to think that people like you Kevatc can even be on this site as you apparently want to work against us. I am ashamed that people like you Kevatc cant and dont want to see that most of the people he says he is ashamed of here at NWFA are actually the good guys. We are not the guys who are out committing crimes. But go ahead and be against us Kevatc. We are the good guys who are trying to stand up for even your freedoms, the right for you and the government to live and do what The Constitution and Bill Of Rights say you can. By posting on this forum we chisel our wits and also learn ourselves.

I am not asking for there to be vigilantes, but I sure would love to see the good cops hold the cops that do bad things accountable.

The "lets have more vigilantes and less cops" thing was only words....Kevatc if you don't like reading what some of us say when we are disgusted about something then just log off. But I guess you would rather make enemies.

 

[Father of four]

[

We don't make twice as much or even one and a half times as much.



Not here in Oregon. We are not allowed to collect any unemployment while being furloughed.



"

OK I miss posted. Sorry abut that.

I still think the government employees should not make more money then the people that pay them. Weird I know...sorta like making more money than the boss.

 

[Father of four]

[

We don't make twice as much or even one and a half times as much.



Not here in Oregon. We are not allowed to collect any unemployment while being furloughed.



"

"Again, not here in Oregon for any State County or City workers.

You shouldn't belive everything you read or go around posting it until you have the facts."



On the other hand if you just add the benefits to the pay I quoted it nicely. The government employes on average do make twice as much as the private sector when benefits are added. Fine now?

 

[Father of four]

This thread is an absolute embarrassment. There are folks posting that scream at the top of their lungs "Bill of Right's, 2A, justice, Constitution" but whose own postings suggest they could careless about those things. It's an embarrassment that in at least one case the thread got side tracked about who makes more money. It's an embarrassment that in a society where individual rights are assured by the Bill of Rights and the ideals of the Constitution are the envy of free people world wide that there are some here who could careless because "vigilante justice" is easier than trying to live up to the ideals of our founding documents. I am having a seriously hard time deciphering the difference between the hard core leftist liberal insanity and what is becoming the norm for conservative folks.

Maybe a bit of vigilantism here?....Friend of Boston bombing suspect unarmed when killed by FBI ? RT USA

"Todashev, who knew Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, had neither gun nor knife when he was shot by the FBI, two law enforcement officials, who did not disclose their names, told the Washington Post on Wednesday.

Before that, investigators offered conflicting accounts of what happened in Todashev's final minutes. One federal agent claimed Todashev was shot after trying to grab an agent's sidearm. A second agent claimed Todashev brandished a knife. A Bureau statement issued on the day of the incident said only that an "individual" being interviewed was killed when a "violent confrontation was initiated by the individual."




I guess in your eyes its OK for the FBI to do that? I don't know what really happened but it sounds a bit weird, ya think? You think we civilians will get the truth?

 

[Father of four]

We need cops, but when a cop kills someone I think we need the cops to be investigated by a non-government local citizens investigation group. There should be a national law that requires the cops to participate or that department would receive stiff and extensive penalties.

 

[Redcap]

We need cops, but when a cop kills someone I think we need the cops to be investigated by a non-government local citizens investigation group. There should be a national law that requires the cops to participate or that department would receive stiff and extensive penalties.

Eye for an eye.

 

[downtown]

Eye for an eye.

Hmm. Interesting, but very slippery way to view this. And who decides that? You? Or a committee of vigilantes? Not too comfortable with that at all. So, a cop is involoved in a fatal encounter. Lets say you, with your really big brain, make that decision. What then? Who decides if you were right? Another person with a gun? I mean the loved ones of that cop may see it differently. Maybe even more accurately. Their opinion is no less important than yours. So they get to decide an eye for an eye then? Your "system" is one mucked up way to think about things.

 

[Adam12]

You're mixing law enforcement with the legal system. The cop on the street, on average, has no political ambition. They don't make decisions on who stays in jail and who gets out.

Now, when you talk about the legal system... It is rife with politics. The majority of laws are politically motivated.

I know some here have all sorts of conspiracies about police being completely immune from punishment it is of course not true.

Do officers shoot people and sometimes improperly shoot people? Yes. If you look at how many times they pull their weapon, you'll see it is not very often.

Instead of taking just the headlines as gospel, conduct real research and find out what happens to officers who shoot people.

Again, I'm not saying people do not get shot incorrectly by police. I am not saying they do not get away without criminal prosecution. It happens and it's not right. It is far from an epidemic though. It just appears that way with 24 hour news and conspiracy theorists.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[speeddemon94]

You're mixing law enforcement with the legal system. The cop on the street, on average, has no political ambition. They don't make decisions on who stays in jail and who gets out.

Now, when you talk about the legal system... It is rife with politics. The majority of laws are politically motivated.

The police and sheriffs departments are completely politically driven.

A sheriff, and often times police chiefs, do not have to have any law enforcement experience at all, they are politicians. So, the cops on the street who have any aspiration of being anything other than a "bottom of the totem pole guy" has to have political motivations to get anywhere.

The military is the same way.

 

[speeddemon94]

I agree, and there really are some good guys out there.

But the post I was replying to tried to state that the cops are not politically driven, which is completely false.

And unfortunately, the Douglas County DA's office and Josephine County DA's office are very much in collusion with one another. Josephine will move cases to Roseburg or Klamath, before Jackson, because in Jackson they might get caught. And it's tough to separate the county government from the law enforcement sometimes. But it's a good thing that Douglas county can.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Any reasonable people would care. Or anyone that wants to be accurate. Or anyone that doesn't just spout headlines.

How long ya worked for the goobermint?

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Hmm. Interesting, but very slippery way to view this. And who decides that? You? Or a committee of vigilantes? Not too comfortable with that at all. So, a cop is involoved in a fatal encounter. Lets say you, with your really big brain, make that decision. What then? Who decides if you were right? Another person with a gun? I mean the loved ones of that cop may see it differently. Maybe even more accurately. Their opinion is no less important than yours. So they get to decide an eye for an eye then? Your "system" is one mucked up way to think about things.

We believe, in light of current affairs, that your philosophy is what is whacked. Accepting corruption and tyranny is not how this nation was founded. The founders would be considered vigilantes today, tarring and feathering, running them out of town on the rails, putting Tories in cages and stocks, etc.. why they even dared to shoot at the duly constituted Kings men!!

 

[revjen45]

Expecting the cops to answer for the unnecessary harm done to to the peons is like expecting the Reichsgericht to prosecute the Einsatzgruppen.

 

[downtown]

I don't, but a very convenient way of trying to avoid what I said with the, "hey boys, he must be one of them, don't listen to him", arguments.

How long ya worked for the goobermint?

 

[downtown]

Your arguments are as immature as your opinions. Once again, I never have made any statement or any argument about accepting tyranny or corruption. But I do understand that in your world, one either completely agrees with you or they are just wrong. What I have argued for is balance, having information rather than rumors, arguing facts rather than sophomoric headlines and using your brain. I understand your problem with that. Carry on with your chest beating and I will stick with facts and information.

We believe, in light of current affairs, that your philosophy is what is whacked. Accepting corruption and tyranny is not how this nation was founded. The founders would be considered vigilantes today, tarring and feathering, running them out of town on the rails, putting Tories in cages and stocks, etc.. why they even dared to shoot at the duly constituted Kings men!!