Russian troop build up on the Ukrainian border ...

[DirectDrive]

Putin "took" Crimea.
How could the Ukrainians possibly trust him going forward ?
Stop crying Putin and accept the fact that you are not trusted.

 

[monkeybutler]

Vladdie misses his blanket boy.

 

[Longwalkhome]

Looks like we are 20 days until the end of Russians ultimatum and Russian citizens are said to be readying for nuclear war.

 

[41mag]

No worries.....my Civil Defense in 3rd grade taught us how to 'duck & tuck' .....I'm just looking for a desk big enough to fit with me in that position now.....

 

[Cavedweller]

Thank God we have a strong and competent leader like Biden and a military dedicated to equity and diversity to get us through this when it all goes south...

Why do we care? If the Russians take Ukraine the worst that can happen is that the Biden's, Pelosi's and Romney's will lose a lucrative source of income. Are we going to go to war keep Hunter supplied with crack and whores? When is the US going to learn to stay out of European wars?

 

[Horatius]

No worries.....my Civil Defense in 3rd grade taught us how to 'duck & tuck' .....I'm just looking for a desk big enough to fit with me in that position now.....

Well now you made me hurt my back trying to get under my desk to practice surviving a nuke attack

 

[The Heretic]

 

[The Heretic]

Will Putin Invade? On the Front Lines of Ukraine’s Long War, That’s Beside the Point.

A reporting trip to Donbass reveals the tight hold Russia already has over the lives of Ukrainians accustomed to living with war.

www.politico.com

 

[The Heretic]

Why do we care? If the Russians take Ukraine the worst that can happen is that the Biden's, Pelosi's and Romney's will lose a lucrative source of income. Are we going to go to war keep Hunter supplied with crack and whores? When is the US going to learn to stay out of European wars?

I don't think that is the worst that can happen. Also, whether it is Putin or some other tyrant, we should always care when a bully picks on someone weaker, especially when the weaker party just wants to be free.

That said, I am not advocating that the USA get physically involved in the Ukraine, but I don't have a problem with the USA helping out materially. If anybody should be involved, it should be the EU, or maybe the interested parties of the UN.

On a personal level, I have relatives that have recently come from the Ukraine, who have relatives still living there.

 

[The Heretic]

duplicate - removed

 

[monkeybutler]

I think it is time to let Europe fund and execute its own defense entirely, and for us to spend what we send them on reinvigorating "Star Wars" (or some other anti missile blah blah) defense for the US.

 

[The Heretic]

Russia’s Aggression Against Ukraine Is Backfiring

Putin’s military moves are rallying Ukrainians and unifying NATO.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[JuglansRegia]

Russia’s Aggression Against Ukraine Is Backfiring

Putin’s military moves are rallying Ukrainians and unifying NATO.

www.theatlantic.com

I don't have a problem with Putin's demands, if he hands over Crimea and the other occupied territories to Ukraine with the agreement that if he attempt such a move in the future it would mean a fast track Nato membership for Ukraine.

 

[Cavedweller]

I don't think that is the worst that can happen.

Care to elaborate?

If anybody should be involved, it should be the EU,

That would be more appropriate.

or maybe the interested parties of the UN.

The UN is a joke. Nothing more than a jobs program for third world diplomats.

On a personal level, I have relatives that have recently come from the Ukraine, who have relatives still living there.

I am sorry for your relatives. But I am sure there are lots of Russians living here with relatives still in Russia.

ETA: I wouldn't expect the UN to do anything anyway. Russia still has the USSR's seat on the Security Council. They could veto any proposed UN action. I doubt if they would walk out before a vote again as they did before the UN intervention in Korea. Unless they are slow learners.

 

[69IzhmashAK]

Putin is operating from Hitler's playbook, note for note.

 

[The Heretic]

Putin is operating from Hitler's playbook, note for note.

Politicians (people in political power, including despots) lie, make promises and go back on them. Hitler could not be trusted and neither can Putin. That is just the least of it. Applied militarily, Putin is using the same playbook, but the USA has done similar things - we are just better at lying about it, take for instance what we did to the Native Americans.

 

[The Heretic]

Ukraine’s new intelligence-gathering drone took to the sky for the first time

The new Ukrainian-made electronic intelligence complex based on an unmanned aircraft platform took to the air. On December 27, Defense Express reported that Ukraine’s intelligence-gathering version of the PD-2 unmanned aircraft system (UAS) has begun its flight test program. The new electronic...

defence-blog.com

 

[wired]

Putin "took" Crimea.
How could the Ukrainians possibly trust him going forward ?
Stop crying Putin and accept the fact that you are not trusted.

More like Putin took Crimea back.

 

[DirectDrive]

More like Putin took Crimea back.

They were "borrowing" it from Ukraine.
And didn't like the new arrangement, so they "took" it.

 

[Cavedweller]

They were "borrowing" it from Ukraine.
And didn't like the new arrangement, so they "took" it.

I guess it depends on how far back you want to go. If you are going to go by who owned it first, you could say it belongs to the Greeks. Or the Italians. After that it belonged to the Turks. The Russians took it in 1774. But it has never been Ukrainian until relatively recently, when Krushchev adjusted the boundaries of various republics within the USSR and gave it to the Ukranian SSR (1954). The Ukrainian claim on that territory is rather weak. So, determining who had it "first", like all teritorial disputes, is subject to interpretation.

History of Crimea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org