Police Should Carry Double Action Guns

[Member 53328]

Trigger safeties are pointless. They do not even fully prevent the trigger from being pulled if snagged.

(now wheres that flame suit I had....)

Haha. Flame on!

Manual safeties are just as pointless IMO. I'll never carry a gun with an external/mechanical safety. But that's just me.

I shall also don my flame suit.

 

[Koda]

I was talking about the 'thumb' safeties that are all but impossible to reach with a normal thumb while holding the gun correctly

you must be talking about slide mounted safeties.... ?

 

[RX-79G]

Trigger safeties are pointless. They do not even fully prevent the trigger from being pulled if snagged.

(now wheres that flame suit I had....)

Trigger safeties are just drop safeties. Most autos with pivoting triggers pull the trigger bar forward, balancing the inertia of the trigger. Glocks push their trigger bars and strikers all in the same direction, so something was necessary to prevent a muzzle up drop from ramming the trigger, trigger bar and striker to the rear where it will release.

1911 has a similar problem, but has a grip safety that does something similar.

The Sig P320 was drop firing because it had out of balance pivoting internals.

 

[Koda]

Haha. Flame on!

Manual safeties are just as pointless IMO. I'll never carry a gun with an external/mechanical safety. But that's just me.

I shall also don my flame suit.

Im "triggered"....

 

[Koda]

Trigger safeties are just drop safeties. Most autos with pivoting triggers pull the trigger bar forward, balancing the inertia of the trigger. Glocks push their trigger bars and strikers all in the same direction, so something was necessary to prevent a muzzle up drop from ramming the trigger, trigger bar and striker to the rear where it will release.

1911 has a similar problem, but has a grip safety that does something similar.

The Sig P320 was drop firing because it had out of balance pivoting internals.

except Glocks also have a firing pin block which prevents discharge from any drop position.

 

[Knobgoblin]

except Glocks also have a firing pin block which prevents discharge from any drop position.

Nononono.
Don't say drop.

 

[Koda]

Nononono.
Don't say drop.

what, yall dont go dropping your guns all the time round here or sumpthin?

 

[Member 53328]

Nononono.
Don't say drop.

Where's @solv3nt when you need him.

 

[E4mafia]

The solution is very easy.

just give them hammerless revolvers...

 

[Member 53328]

The solution is very easy.

just give them hammerless revolvers...

Replacing tools is a substitute for adequate training?

 

[RX-79G]

except Glocks also have a firing pin block which prevents discharge from any drop position.

Not when the trigger bar has moved. That's what deactivates the firing pin block.

 

[Flopsweat]

Where's @solv3nt when you need him.

He'll drop in any minute now.

 

[E4mafia]

Replacing tools is a substitute for adequate training?

no im just fun posting

 

[Koda]

The solution is very easy.

just give them hammerless revolvers...

ok, now Im really "triggered".... (pun intended)

 

[RX-79G]

Replacing tools is a substitute for adequate training?

Only if you believe that it is purely a training issue.

 

[Nutty4Guns]

The solution is very easy.

just give them hammerless revolvers...

The Poindexter inside my head wants to correct you on spurless hammers, but I'm resisting.

 

[E4mafia]

lets see, DAK trigger, Hi Power mag disconnect attached and a hillary hole for good measure oh and the earlier mentioned NY 10lbs trigger pull. Heck I forgot the grip safeties (front/rear)

Think of the children!

 

[solv3nt]

except Glocks also have a firing pin block which prevents discharge from any drop position.

"Drop" you say...

Nononono.
Don't say drop.

"Drop" you say...

Where's @solv3nt when you need him.

Dropped in...

He'll drop in any minute now.

Dropped by to drop a line. Geez, I leave y'all for like five minutes....

 

[Member 53328]

Only if you believe that it is purely a training issue.

That's exactly what it is.

 

[Koda]

Not when the trigger bar has moved. That's what deactivates the firing pin block.

good point. My impression is it has to travel quite a bit, but in reality its probably not that much travel that inertia couldn't overcome.
but still.... I would love a "Glock" with an external safety. Im biased... I still carry a 1911. Im only just now dabbling into the safetyless architecture. I think all the arguments against an external thumb (frame mounted) safety are meritless....