Other State Just heard of another active shooter Dayton Ohio

[Goosebrown]

He had a drum magazine that apparently worked. Anyone know which magazine it was? That's news

 

[oneharmonic]

He had a drum magazine that apparently worked. Anyone know which magazine it was? That's news

Glad you got a laugh out of it.

 

[CLT65]

I agree, and the reality is we are just going to have to live with these types of events if we want to be a free people.

I disagree, to an extent. The issue I have with much of the watch list and red flag stuff is the lack of proper due process. It seems to me that there should be a way to keep an eye on the extremists and crazies in society while also respecting the rights of the law abiding.

 

[CamoDeafie]

The world is a dangerous place. One should always assume that they are never truly safe out there. Medical errors, drugs, automobile accidents, simple accidents (slips and falls for example) are all potentially fatal.
Large gathering of people can also be fatal, especially when there's a bottleneck, and panic (stampede)

 

[arakboss]

I disagree, to an extent. The issue I have with much of the watch list and red flag stuff is the lack of proper due process. It seems to me that there should be a way to keep an eye on the extremists and crazies in society while also respecting the rights of the law abiding.

Even with red flag laws in place we will face these events. Red flag laws are an assault on our freedom even with so called "due process"

 

[arakboss]

The world is a dangerous place. One should always assume that they are never truly safe out there. Medical errors, drugs, automobile accidents, simple accidents (slips and falls for example) are all potentially fatal.
Large gathering of people can also be fatal, especially when there's a bottleneck, and panic (stampede)

Freedom comes with risk. Some safety can come from restrictions or reductions of freedom but I lean towards freedom over safety.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

 

[notazombie]

The world is a dangerous place. One should always assume that they are never truly safe out there. Medical errors, drugs, automobile accidents, simple accidents (slips and falls for example) are all potentially fatal.
Large gathering of people can also be fatal, especially when there's a bottleneck, and panic (stampede)

Too true, and it's always been that way. Quicksand, mastodon goring, smallpox, random meteor strike. There's a million ways it might end. All we can do is be observant and try to minimize risk. No man can control (or legislate away) all the outside factors.

 

[arakboss]

Too true, and it's always been that way. Quicksand, mastodon goring, smallpox, random meteor strike. There's a million ways it might end. All we can do is be observant and try to minimize risk. No man can control (or legislate away) all the outside factors.

I would be in favor of banning Mastodon goring, that sounds painful.

 

[oneharmonic]

Medical errors

10 years of graduate school, board exams, highly regulated, medical malpractice insurance

drugs

Very highly regulated; they track every single pill manufactured, distributed and sold down to the local pharmacy

automobile accidents

Licensed, insured, driver's tests, vehicle certifications, insurance required

Large gathering of people can also be fatal, especially when there's a bottleneck, and panic (stampede)

Large events require permits, insurance, pre/post inspections, and a team of people managing crowd control. I know because I've managed some.

Are you suggesting permits, licenses, insurance, tracking, inspections, or regulation of anything firearm related? Or were you just picking some things out of a hat?

 

[ma96782]

In case someone/anyone forgot (about ANTIFA).........

And don't forget.....we got ANTIFA in Portland, OR.

Aloha, Mark

PS.....more about the ANTIFA Dayton shooter here:

BREAKING: The Dayton terrorist was a self-described "leftist" and Antifa supporter | News For Tomorrow

Screenshots of a Dayton man's Twitter account appear to confirm that the shooter responsible for the horrific massacre at a Dayton restaurant was a proud leftist, according to his Twitter account's own description.
The account, @iamthespookster, has a number of tweets placing him in the Dayton Ohio area. Photos posted by the @iamthespookster account bear a striking resemblance to confirmed photos of the shooter, and followed a number of left-wing accounts, such as the Democratic Socialists Association of Dayton. The account also liked and retweeted a number of tweets that suggested he sympathized with Antifa.
The alleged shooter account's most recent follow was of an account by the name of "@accelerbot," an account that retweets all mentions of "accelerationism."
If the term accelerationism sounds familiar, there may be a reason for that. The New Zealand Mosque shooter's lengthy manifesto was heavily peppered with the word. Accelerationism, in this sense, is defined as "the idea that violence should be used to push Western countries into becoming failed states. Adherents hope the collapse will give rise to radical, presently unthinkable changes in our society."

Wait a second. Why isn't it on the news?

And, wasn't that "manifesto" of the El Paso shooter also ranting/mentioning about the New Zealand Mosque shooting? But, he was labeled a RIGHT WINGER and it was all over the news.

 

[oneharmonic]

And don't forget.....we got ANTIFA in Portland, OR.

Does Antifa and their high-capacity milkshakes worry you?

 

[oneharmonic]

Both former classmates told The Associated Press that Betts was suspended during their junior year at suburban Bellbrook High School after a hit list was found scrawled in a school bathroom.

How was this guy not permanently disqualified from buying a firearm?

 

[RVTECH]

In case someone/anyone forgot (about ANTIFA).........

After watching the vid I find it hard to believe the whole group survived their 'range day'......

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I am not trying to be argumentative here...nor a smartazz...
This twice at least that I have seen the term "milkshake"...in relation to Antifa or firearms....
Just what does "milkshake" mean here in these contexts...?
Thanks
Andy

 

[arakboss]

How was this guy not permanently disqualified from buying a firearm?

If (that is still an if as far as we know) he was charged with a crime as a minor, he may have had the record expunged. If his record was expunged the background check would not have discovered it.

 

[oneharmonic]

If (that is still an if as far as we know) he was charged with a crime as a minor, he may have had the record expunged. If his record was expunged the background check would not have discovered it.

Change the laws and don't expunge it.

 

[CamoDeafie]

10 years of graduate school, board exams, highly regulated, medical malpractice insurance

and still more people die from medical errors than from gunfire.

Very highly regulated; they track every single pill manufactured, distributed and sold down to the local pharmacy

Heroin, crack, meth, cocaine, I didn't know they are available at your pharmacy still doesnt stop people from overdosing and dying.

Licensed, insured, driver's tests, vehicle certifications, insurance required

and people still kill lots of people in crashes, from distracted driving, drinking, and just plain stupidity, lack of awareness (ice, gravel, overestimating ability)

Large events require permits, insurance, pre/post inspections, and a team of people managing crowd control. I know because I've managed some.

and yet... people still can die at these gatherings whenever theres mass hysteria and panic... lets not forget, riots in which there are always people getting hurt.

Are you suggesting permits, licenses, insurance, tracking, inspections, or regulation of anything firearm related? Or were you just picking some things out of a hat?

Nope. I am suggesting that people are the problem,.not the careers, not the equipment, not the products, or device.

 

[CamoDeafie]

I am not trying to be argumentative here...nor a smartazz...
This twice at least that I have seen the term "milkshake"...in relation to Antifa or firearms....
Just what does "milkshake" mean here in these contexts...?
Thanks
Andy

In relation to the assault on Andy Ngo with reportedly concrete mixed milkshakes

 

[arakboss]

Change the laws and don't expunge it.

It would be interesting to see what the national discussion would be on a culture change like that.