Is a knife exposed by the hilt and a pocket clip considered concealed?

[EPS]

A double edged knife or a dagger is illegal in lots of States and will get you a felony weapons charge

 

[RicInOR]

The biggest problem is that the laws vary by city to city, county to county, cop to cop.

What you think is an "ordinary pocketknife" (that is a legal term)
may actually be some kind of auto knife, in the hands of certain cops.
There are horror stories.
New York Cops Are Jailing Handymen For Carrying This Common Pocketknife


Look, if you have one of those Stanley Razor knives, that everyone has, can you flick it so the blade comes out? If so, then it is an auto opening, or gravity assist knife which generally means you can own and display one, just not carry it.





So, before we get that British knife law scare going here, we do need common sense reform (to the laws).

BBC NEWS | Health | Doctors' kitchen knives ban call
Doctors' kitchen knives ban call
Doctors say knives are too pointed
A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing.



Knife Laws | The Truth About Knives

Bernard Levine - Knife Expertise: Knife ID, Knife Laws, Knife Values

KnifeUp | The Knife News Magazine -- I think this site is already mentioned in the thread




IANAL and this is not legal advice.

 

[EPS]

There is a guy that I heard on the NRA CAM AND COMPANY radio show he started a thing like the NRA I think it's called knife Rights .com I think

 

[Joe13]

I do agree with all of you who think most ( if not all ) knife laws are ridiculous.
At least once a year I get hassled at school for carrying a pocket knife.
The last time , after hearing all the talk about no weapons on school grounds and being asked "Why do I insist on carrying a knife?"
I answered with :
"Do you remember our student N----?"
"Do you remember when she had a seizure and had to be cut out of the school bus seat belt?"
"Do you remember it was me who cut her out of the belt that was wrapped around her neck?"
"So now do you get why I insist on carrying a knife?!"

Sorry for thread drift ... Mostly my knife is concealed , unless I 'm using it , then the person usually says "Thanks" ... Which is often followed by "Why do you have a knife?"
Andy

Nice.

I have never once been asked about my knife in my pocket with the clip showing.

if told to leave because it's a weapon I'd tell them to take a long walk of a short plank... my pocket knife isn't a weapon.

 

[EPS]

I have carried a knife for ever got my first pocket knife from my uncle when I was 10 year's old I have been told to take it back to my car one time at the Emerald Queen casino in Tacoma the security guard saw the clip and ask me to put in my car when I go to my niece and nephews school I just unclip it and put it all the way in my pocket

 

[EPS]

Lol security guard at Emerald Queen is the funniest part because he's not even aloud to carry a weapon LOL HEHEH

 

[P7M13]

Evidently I'm in violation of the law everywhere I go. Fv*k 'em.
Coast 4" folder, and with proper application of thumb force, it will open and lock like a switch blade.
Clients have seen and used it, my kids use it, and I keep it clean, oiled and sharp.
Oddly, I don't think of it as a weapon, at all.
I work alongside a gentleman who carries a 3" karambit trainer. He can have that thing drawn, opened and stuck in a pressure point in 1/2 second. It's inspiring to watch.

 

[EPS]

I have so many pocket / switch blade 's it's not even funny I bet I have a knife for every pair of pants I own lol

 

[Doc In UPlace]

Depending on your municipal code, concealed or not may make no difference whatsoever.

Some cities, such as nearby Tacoma, bans what we would consider as "normal" knives outside the private home no matter how carried.

Here it is:

8.66.080 Unlawful use of weapons.

A. Violations. It is unlawful for a person:

1. To sell, manufacture, purchase, possess, or carry any blackjack, sandclub, slungshot, metal knuckles, switchblade knife, fighting knife, martial arts weapon, ball flail, or electroshock device; or

2. Except as otherwise provided in Section 8.66.090 hereof, to carry on his or her person or in any vehicle any dangerous knifebor deadly weapon; or to sell or give away to any person under 18 years of age any dangerous knife or deadly weapon; or for any such person to purchase or possess any such dangerous knife or deadly weapon.

3. Exceptions. The prohibitions contained in this section on electroshock devices and police batons shall not apply to any law enforcement officer or corrections officer while in the performance of his or her official duties, to any animal control officer while in the performance of his or her official duties, or to any military personnel while in the performance of his or her duties.

4. Penalties. Any violation of this section is a gross misdemeanor. Any person convicted of violating this section shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor and subject to a maximum penalty of $5,000 or one year in jail, or both such fine and imprisonment.

8.66.090 Exemptions – Dangerous knives.

The proscriptions of Section 8.66.080.A.2, relating to dangerous knives, shall not apply to:

A. Individual licensed hunters, boaters, fishermen, and scuba divers while on a hunting, camping, boating, fishing, or scubadiving trip; or

B. Any person carrying such knife in a secure wrapper or in a tool box while traveling from or to the place of purchase or a place of repair, from or to such person's home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another, or while in such person's place of abode or fixed place of business; or

C. Any person who, by virtue of his or her public office or public employment, is vested by law with a duty to preserve public safety, maintain public order, or to make arrests for offenses while in the performance of such duty; or

D. Any person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments; or

E. Any person, while in his or her place of abode or fixed place of business, except that this subsection is not a defense to selling or giving away any dangerous knife or deadly weapon to any person under 18 years of age.
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C. "Dangerous knife" means any knife having a blade more than three and one-half inches in length or any dagger, sword, bayonet, bolo knife, hatchet, straight-edge razor, or razor blade not in its package, dispenser, or shaving appliance.

D. "Deadly weapon" is an instrument capable of being used offensively or defensively and likely to cause death or serious bodily harm.

 

[Captain O]

In Oregon, you can carry a switchblade as long as it isn't concealed. If the officer can see the pocket clip, the knife isn't concealed.

They make great pocket knives and are convenient in an emergency. If you go to Blade Play.com, Boker is selling some nice drop point Kalashnikov autos with AUS8 steel blades that are light, quick hold a decent edge. These can often be had for less than $45.00 and are wonderful "working knives".

Look them up at www.bladeplay.com

 

[Joe13]

Depending on your municipal code, concealed or not may make no difference whatsoever.

Some cities, such as nearby Tacoma, bans what we would consider as "normal" knives outside the private home no matter how carried.

Here it is:

8.66.080 Unlawful use of weapons.

A. Violations. It is unlawful for a person:

1. To sell, manufacture, purchase, possess, or carry any blackjack, sandclub, slungshot, metal knuckles, switchblade knife, fighting knife, martial arts weapon, ball flail, or electroshock device; or

2. Except as otherwise provided in Section 8.66.090 hereof, to carry on his or her person or in any vehicle any dangerous knifebor deadly weapon; or to sell or give away to any person under 18 years of age any dangerous knife or deadly weapon; or for any such person to purchase or possess any such dangerous knife or deadly weapon.

3. Exceptions. The prohibitions contained in this section on electroshock devices and police batons shall not apply to any law enforcement officer or corrections officer while in the performance of his or her official duties, to any animal control officer while in the performance of his or her official duties, or to any military personnel while in the performance of his or her duties.

4. Penalties. Any violation of this section is a gross misdemeanor. Any person convicted of violating this section shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor and subject to a maximum penalty of $5,000 or one year in jail, or both such fine and imprisonment.

8.66.090 Exemptions – Dangerous knives.

The proscriptions of Section 8.66.080.A.2, relating to dangerous knives, shall not apply to:

A. Individual licensed hunters, boaters, fishermen, and scuba divers while on a hunting, camping, boating, fishing, or scubadiving trip; or

B. Any person carrying such knife in a secure wrapper or in a tool box while traveling from or to the place of purchase or a place of repair, from or to such person's home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another, or while in such person's place of abode or fixed place of business; or

C. Any person who, by virtue of his or her public office or public employment, is vested by law with a duty to preserve public safety, maintain public order, or to make arrests for offenses while in the performance of such duty; or

D. Any person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments; or

E. Any person, while in his or her place of abode or fixed place of business, except that this subsection is not a defense to selling or giving away any dangerous knife or deadly weapon to any person under 18 years of age.
*************************

C. "Dangerous knife" means any knife having a blade more than three and one-half inches in length or any dagger, sword, bayonet, bolo knife, hatchet, straight-edge razor, or razor blade not in its package, dispenser, or shaving appliance.

D. "Deadly weapon" is an instrument capable of being used offensively or defensively and likely to cause death or serious bodily harm.

Vancouver city is basically the same - no fixed blades unless it's in a hunting bag on your way to hunt or in a toolbox etc.

 

[Kruel J]

I carry a Benchmade Infidel mini every day. Never put much thought into concealment or getting in trouble.

 

[Vendor Hidden]

To me, clearly the reason gun laws are consistent throughout the state (Washington, at least) is because of the 2nd Amendment. I wish the Framers had included knives in there as well, because history shows that if a right is not explicitly named in the Constitution or Bill of Rights, it will be taken away; and even if it IS named in the Constitution or Bill of Rights, it will eventually be whittled away to nothing.

I'll be honest, I actually like knives more than guns because you can make things with knives, but with guns the only thing you can make is noise and holes.

 

[Provincial]

Once the government entity describes a device a "weapon" it should become "arms" and be protected by the 2nd Amendment. After all, bayonets and fighting knives were used by soldiers in the Revolution.

 

[mjbskwim]

I'm guessing here,but the guy above in NY that got six years for carrying a certain knife?
He had way more going on than just that. I'm guessing again but maybe the author left some details out of the guys past?

 

[EPS]

Any body knows any biker gang guys there number 1 weapon is a ballping hammer because it's legal to carry it in any state

 

[Joe13]

Any body knows any biker gang guys there number 1 weapon is a ballping hammer because it's legal to carry it in any state

That would be taken from the skinheads...

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

its a damn pocket knife. why anybody cares is beyond me. just another GOV control scheme BS.

 

[EPS]

I'm pretty sure the Hell's Angels have been around before the skinheads

 

[Certaindeaf]

The price of tea in China killed Eeyore. sad times