Humans And Their Amazing Ability To Adapt.

[RX-79G]

There seems to be a lot of people questioning our ability to adapt to climate change. Humans have adapted to everything the earth and it's contents have thrown at us so far, why should we doubt that humans won't be able to adapt to future changes in our world?

Because humans have never lived with the level of heat we're headed toward?

 

[arakboss]

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Because humans have never lived with the level of heat we're headed toward?

There are some pretty hot places we have and continue to live in.

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[albin25]

I have no doubt that humans will adapt to 2 or 3 degrees of climate change…
…. Heck!…. If boys in Oregon can now have periods, adapting to some minor changes in the weather should be no big deal!

 

[Idaho44]

"learned from the dust bowl"! Definitely not true! Grass and range lands are being plowed again for profit and handouts from the government by profiteers in Denver and other so called investment groups. This started in the 1980's in Montana and has spread to many other places. Gots to make the dollars ya know for the investors and stockholders! Politicians have to win!

 

[JRuby]

"learned from the dust bowl"! Definitely not true! Grass and range lands are being plowed again for profit and handouts from the government by profiteers in Denver and other so called investment groups. This started in the 1980's in Montana and has spread to many other places. Gots to make the dollars ya know for the investors and stockholders! Politicians have to win!

So where are the dirt storms that were so common during the dust bowl days?

 

[Longwalkhome]

Because humans have never lived with the level of heat we're headed toward?

I was in Iraq and it was 114 and folks were still living. As long as they had water they could grow food. What really killed Iraqi people was their fellow man.

 

[Longwalkhome]

So where are the dirt storms that were so common during the dust bowl days?

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Kinda like these dust storms in Iraq? Yet folks are still living there.

 

[arakboss]

I was in Iraq and it was 114 and folks were still living. As long as they had water they could grow food. What really killed Iraqi people was their fellow man.

Water is the key ingredient, yet we are dumping it via rivers into the oceans. Maybe one day we will adapt and not let that resource go to waste.

 

[RX-79G]

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There are some pretty hot places we have and continue to live in.

People used to live in what is now the Sahara and Gobi deserts. Phoenix is going to have no water - soon.

We like to complain about the Central Americans trying to get into the US, but we're going to be massed on the Canadian border someday,

So where are the dirt storms that were so common during the dust bowl days?

We aren't doing the same kind of bad farming anymore. That land is either kept in good shape using those soybean subsidies we created in the '30s, or it is fallow because it is no longer worth farming.

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Kinda like these dust storms in Iraq? Yet folks are still living there.

Where are they going to go? They import what they can't grow with oil money.

 

[RX-79G]

Water is the key ingredient, yet we are dumping it via rivers into the oceans. Maybe one day we will adapt and not let that resource go to waste.

You could cool the earth for less cost than trying to contain all the fresh water.

 

[Longwalkhome]

People used to live in what is now the Sahara and Gobi deserts. Phoenix is going to have no water - soon.

We like to complain about the Central Americans trying to get into the US, but we're going to be massed on the Canadian border someday,


We aren't doing the same kind of bad farming anymore. That land is either kept in good shape using those soybean subsidies we created in the '30s, or it is fallow because it is no longer worth farming.

Where are they going to go? They import what they can't grow with oil money.

Driving through Iraq I saw a lot of food growing next to the rivers. A lot of sun and water makes things grow. It's a hot desert climate and folks live there just like every other desert climate that has water.

Just saying that the idea man will perish because nature causes a rise in temperature of a few degrees doesn't hold up in the real world.

 

[arakboss]

You could cool the earth for less cost than trying to contain all the fresh water.

I haven't seen the numbers but dams would generate needed electricty to help defray cost of dam construction and pumping of water. Droughts come and go in the southwest and other arrid regions of the country. We are depleting ground water fast and will need water from somewhere. Cooling the planet isn't going to replenish the ground water in the time frame we are going to need it.

 

[OldBroad44]

There seems to be a lot of people questioning our ability to adapt to climate change. Humans have adapted to everything the earth and it's contents have thrown at us so far, why should we doubt that humans won't be able to adapt to future changes in our world?

We've been around a relatively tiny amount of time, so bragging about our ability to adapt is way out of order. There have been five mass extinction events. We've experienced none of them. Even so, something appears to have almost made us extinct about 72,000 years ago. It apparently dropped our effective population size down to 10,000 or less, eliminating most of the human genetic variability in the process. Speculation is it might have been an eruption of Supervolcano Toba. By geologic standards that event barely registered. The major mass extinctions have involved stuff like the oceans acidifying, the air being full of poisonous gas, all the biomass at the surface burning up in massive fires, etc.

Re "Humans have adapted to everything..." Actually, in the face of even relatively modest climate changes most individual humans do not adapt. They die. Many of the rest get killed in the wars and disease that follow, some migrate, causing further wars and disease in the places they migrate to. What is left is a remnant population, the level of sophistication of civilization knocked way back, etc. For example, 553 was not a good year. As indicated by tree ring patterns, all over the world trees quit growing for a couple of years. When written records for the period are searched exhaustively, turns out in places like China and Rome people's letters say that the sun is shining only three or four hours a day in summer and is dull and red and gives no heat. Basically there was no agricultural productivity for two years. In Britain, cities and agriculture were abandoned and people were living in houses on stilts in lakes that were easy to defend and had gone back to hunting and gathering.

 

[arakboss]

We've been around a relatively tiny amount of time, so bragging about our ability to adapt is way out of order. There have been five mass extinction events. We've experienced none of them. Even so, something appears to have almost made us extinct about 72,000 years ago. It apparently dropped our effective population size down to 10,000 or less, eliminating most of the human genetic variability in the process. Speculation is it might have been an eruption of Supervolcano Toba. By geologic standards that event barely registered. The major mass extinctions have involved stuff like the oceans acidifying, the air being full of poisonous gas, all the biomass at the surface burning up in massive fires, etc.

Re "Humans have adapted to everything..." Actually, in the face of even relatively modest climate changes most individual humans do not adapt. They die. Many of the rest get killed in the wars and disease that follow, some migrate, causing further wars and disease in the places they migrate to. What is left is a remnant population, the level of sophistication of civilization knocked way back, etc. For example, 553 was not a good year. As indicated by tree ring patterns, all over the world trees quit growing for a couple of years. When written records for the period are searched exhaustively, turns out in places like China and Rome people's letters say that the sun is shining only three or four hours a day in summer and is dull and red and gives no heat. Basically there was no agricultural productivity for two years. In Britain, cities and agriculture were abandoned and people were living in houses on stilts in lakes that were easy to defend and had gone back to hunting and gathering.

No offense, but "remnant population"

World population history[28][29][30]

Year	1806	1850	1900	1940	1950	1960	1970	1980	1990	2000	2010	2020
Billions	1.01	1.28	1.65	2.33	2.53	3.03	3.68	4.43	5.28	6.11	6.92	7.76

 

[RX-79G]

Driving through Iraq I saw a lot of food growing next to the rivers. A lot of sun and water makes things grow. It's a hot desert climate and folks live there just like every other desert climate that has water.

Just saying that the idea man will perish because nature causes a rise in temperature of a few degrees doesn't hold up in the real world.

You were driving places where there were rivers to grow food because that is where people now live. You didn't have reason to observe all the abandoned places.

I served in the Middle East, too. I saw first hand how little agriculture there is left.

I haven't seen the numbers but dams would generate needed electricty to help defray cost of dam construction and pumping of water. Droughts come and go in the southwest and other arrid regions of the country. We are depleting ground water fast and will need water from somewhere. Cooling the planet isn't going to replenish the ground water in the time frame we are going to need it.

You can't just switch from rain based agriculture to all irrigation. Just the amount of pipe involved is staggering. And that's ignoring that the rivers are fllled primarily by snow pack melt, and that irrigation increases soil salinity over time.

 

[Richo877]

You all know global warming doesn't just mean the planet gets a little warmer, right? Sure we can all adapt to a few degrees warmer, but that's not exactly how it works. The overall weather patterns and trends are changing relatively rapidly. Agriculture is being hit with alternating droughts and freezes. Just the last 10 years has shown drastic changes. Greenhouse effect poses a legitimately serious threat, and our carbon footprint isn't getting smaller. EVs aren't going to fix anything. Personal vehicles only make up a tiny fragment of the emissions, and lithium mining produces more emissions that the vehicles that it would be replacing. Earth isn't going to die, it'll be here long after humans cease to exist, but it very well may become uninhabitable for most terrestrial mammals.

 

[RX-79G]

No offense, but "remnant population"

World population history[28][29][30]

Year	1806	1850	1900	1940	1950	1960	1970	1980	1990	2000	2010	2020
Billions	1.01	1.28	1.65	2.33	2.53	3.03	3.68	4.43	5.28	6.11	6.92	7.76

What does this recent explosion have to do with 553 AD?

 

[Longwalkhome]

Water is the key ingredient, yet we are dumping it via rivers into the oceans. Maybe one day we will adapt and not let that resource go to waste.

Technology can come up with desalination processes that can supply plenty of water. There is no shortage of water on the planet but making it drinking water and getting it where it's needed is man's challenge.

 

[arakboss]

You were driving places where there were rivers to grow food because that is where people now live. You didn't have reason to observe all the abandoned places.

I served in the Middle East, too. I saw first hand how little agriculture there is left.



You can't just switch from rain based agriculture to all irrigation. Just the amount of pipe involved is staggering. And that's ignoring that the rivers are fllled primarily by snow pack melt, and that irrigation increases soil salinity over time.

Populations are going to need the water to live not just for irrigation.

 

[arakboss]

What does this recent explosion have to do with 553 AD?

I would say it demonstrates the human ability to overcome nature and thrive.