Firearms are the Leading Cause of Death for Children

[CamoDeafie]

You could maybe argue that 18yo's are typically still in HS, but 19yo's really shouldn't be there anymore.

I graduated at 19 but only because I was held back 1 year (repeated 1st grade) and because my birthday is in December, essentially halfway through the school year edit. There's also the more serious cases of developmentally delayed children who tend to be kicked out of school at 21 to go into group homes/specialized homes for their needs. But these don't usually get into guns nor gang violence anyhow

 

[rhollister71]

Lol, I was a highly responsible M60 machine gunner at 18-19 years old.

And should be thanked everyday!! thank you!

 

[solv3nt]

You could maybe argue that 18yo's are typically still in HS, but 19yo's really shouldn't be there anymore.

I graduated at 19 but only because I was held back 1 year (repeated 1st grade) and because my birthday is in December, essentially halfway through the school year edit. There's also the more serious cases of developmentally delayed children who tend to be kicked out of school at 21 to go into group homes/specialized homes for their needs. But these don't usually get into guns nor gang violence anyhow

I like to use the word "should" when it benefits me, I call people out otherwise

You had extenuating circumstances, and I'd argue that a 19yo in HS shouldn't be included in statistics dealing with "children".

 

[CamoDeafie]

Agreed that they shouldn't be included, just like 16-17 year old college/university freshmen in same statistics

 

[Tilos]

I didn't read thru those 6 pages of posts, but I do know it's not guns...it's abortion.
jmo,
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[CamoDeafie]

I didn't read thru those 6 pages of posts, but I do know it's not guns...it's abortion.
jmo,
.

CDC only counts "post birth" survivors as children they also apparently count those old enough to join military, to go to college, to marry, to have sex work jobs (porn industry), to have home ownership, those old enough to have full independence from parents, and old enough to have full-time jobs and all that.. up to "Canadian drinking age of 19" as "children"

 

[WillametteWill]

Firearms are now the number one cause of death for children in the United States, but rank no higher than fifth in 11 other large and wealthy countries.

Looking at data, they love to compare the massively blended US society with homogenous societies. You simply cannot compare the two yet they keep doing it. Notice they compare firearms deaths with places they know use other methods of violence. Belgium, nearly same suicide rate as US, Japan (no guns) not far behind. I don't mind having the convesation with data that has some semblance of intellectual honesty. How about the further away we have moved away from our original culture in the US of a family unit, cherishing family values and integrity to the Kardashians being worshiped and thug life being accepted violence and mental health issues increase. The problem is not NRA members going around shooting up PDX.

As others have noted, their "children" statistic tugs at the heart strings while using thug data. FBI stats 17-19 year old 1,136 killed...all other children under 17 total 720. 1,000 children under 15 die in crashes each year.

In 2020, 607 child passengers* ages 12 and younger were killed in motor vehicle crashes in the United States,1 and more than 63,000 were injured.2 Of the children who were killed in a crash, 38%† were not buckled up.1 Parents and caregivers can make a lifesaving difference by ensuring that their children are properly buckled on every trip.

Yes, just over 400 were murdered in this age group. Both are terrible, but the one above can often be fixed by parents making sure their kids are properly buckled.

Honestly, if backed in neurological science and not political nonsense, I think I'd back it and so would lots of others.

Careful. We know the prefrontal cortex does not develop until we are about 25. This is the part of the brain that says, "Hey, that is a really stupid idea, hold my beer." This is why car insurance rates go down at 25 (which my offspring turned today!!!)

For my input to the conversation, we are not holding people who commit crimes responsible (antifa for a year in PDX for example) and mental health assistance is non-existent. In PDX, 57% of homicide suspects have a prior felony conviction and 6.8 convictions (BTW, their victims average 9.2 convictions with 43% having felony convictions).

 

[rhollister71]

fentanyl is far worse oregon alone
In Oregon, fentanyl-related overdose deaths increased by 74% from 2019 – 2020, for a total of 298 fentanyl-related deaths in 2020

this article shows kids trend in overdoses

Study shows more kids dying from fentanyl. Florida offers a toolkit to help parents

Ashley Moody is warning parents about the opioid after an alarming report found that children younger than 14 are dying of fentanyl poisoning at a faster rate than any other age group.

wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu

stats on kids in oregon
CHILDREN AND TEENS GUN DEATHS Guns are the 2nd-leading cause of death among children and teens in Oregon. In Oregon, an average of 31 children and teens die by guns every year, of which 63% of these deaths are suicides and 31% are homicides. In the US, 35% of all gun deaths among children and teens are suicides and 60% are homicides.

https://everystat.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Gun-Violence-in-Oregon-1.pdf

page 2 is interesting. staggering whos committing by race?

 

[solv3nt]

Page 2 is interesting. staggering whos committing by race?

 

[rhollister71]

Looking at data, they love to compare the massively blended US society with homogenous societies. You simply cannot compare the two yet they keep doing it. Notice they compare firearms deaths with places they know use other methods of violence. Belgium, nearly same suicide rate as US, Japan (no guns) not far behind. I don't mind having the convesation with data that has some semblance of intellectual honesty. How about the further away we have moved away from our original culture in the US of a family unit, cherishing family values and integrity to the Kardashians being worshiped and thug life being accepted violence and mental health issues increase. The problem is not NRA members going around shooting up PDX.

As others have noted, their "children" statistic tugs at the heart strings while using thug data. FBI stats 17-19 year old 1,136 killed...all other children under 17 total 720. 1,000 children under 15 die in crashes each year.

Yes, just over 400 were murdered in this age group. Both are terrible, but the one above can often be fixed by parents making sure their kids are properly buckled.

Careful. We know the prefrontal cortex does not develop until we are about 25. This is the part of the brain that says, "Hey, that is a really stupid idea, hold my beer." This is why car insurance rates go down at 25 (which my offspring turned today!!!)

For my input to the conversation, we are not holding people who commit crimes responsible (antifa for a year in PDX for example) and mental health assistance is non-existent. In PDX, 57% of homicide suspects have a prior felony conviction and 6.8 convictions (BTW, their victims average 9.2 convictions with 43% having felony convictions).

dont use science and prefrontal cortex, you know "they" dont believe in science

For my input to the conversation, we are not holding people who commit crimes responsible (antifa for a year in PDX for example) and mental health assistance is non-existent. In PDX, 57% of homicide suspects have a prior felony conviction and 6.8 convictions (BTW, their victims average 9.2 convictions with 43% having felony convictions).

i read an article done by a cali research group for portland had that ay like 81% were through the courts for a violent charge min of no less than 3x

if i can find it will post as reference.

 

[x2ndxall]

This is true. But one thing about numbers, they don't lie. These kids, or adults, or whatever you want to call them, died.

Except the numbers do kinda lie when presented in this manner, as part of the false claim. Saying the numbers don't lie is kind of silly.

 

[Member 34319]

fentanyl is far worse oregon alone
In Oregon, fentanyl-related overdose deaths increased by 74% from 2019 – 2020, for a total of 298 fentanyl-related deaths in 2020

this article shows kids trend in overdoses

Study shows more kids dying from fentanyl. Florida offers a toolkit to help parents

Ashley Moody is warning parents about the opioid after an alarming report found that children younger than 14 are dying of fentanyl poisoning at a faster rate than any other age group.

wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu

stats on kids in oregon
CHILDREN AND TEENS GUN DEATHS Guns are the 2nd-leading cause of death among children and teens in Oregon. In Oregon, an average of 31 children and teens die by guns every year, of which 63% of these deaths are suicides and 31% are homicides. In the US, 35% of all gun deaths among children and teens are suicides and 60% are homicides.

https://everystat.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Gun-Violence-in-Oregon-1.pdf

page 2 is interesting. staggering whos committing by race?

It's truly amazing the shear quantity of Fentanyl out there.

 

[Member 34319]

Careful. We know the prefrontal cortex does not develop until we are about 25. This is the part of the brain that says, "Hey, that is a really stupid idea, hold my beer." This is why car insurance rates go down at 25 (which my offspring turned today!!!)

25!

Mine must be broken.

 

[WillametteWill]

i read an article done by a cali research group for portland had that ay like 81% were through the courts for a violent charge min of no less than 3x

if i can find it will post as reference.

HERE is the updated version of the study. There was an initial version I posted a year or so ago. The stats I used are from this study. The group is funded by left of center organizatons (Everytown for Gun Safety, cities of Oakland, SF, Baltimore and Portland) but their raw data is extremely telling and useful. Their conclusions (in the initial version anyway) ignore some of the obvious issues IMHO.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Not trolling Trying to have a legitimate conversation about it And if it's true?
The problem is a lot of these companies skew the resources or the information to edit their narrative so but what if it is true?

So you're saying little Johnny can cut his wang off but can't off himself?
Sounds a little hypocritical to me.

 

[rhollister71]

HERE is the updated version of the study. There was an initial version I posted a year or so ago. The stats I used are from this study. The group is funded by left of center organizatons (Everytown for Gun Safety, cities of Oakland, SF, Baltimore and Portland) but their raw data is extremely telling and useful. Their conclusions (in the initial version anyway) ignore some of the obvious issues IMHO.

3.2% under 17 in shootings and homicides? doesnt seem to support children are killed more by gun violence
126 victims 3% thats 3.8 children by shootings and homicide? so 4 kids, sad but not the leader..

this paints a dark picture the media would not like. i would love Levo to look at this and our legislature on what is driving gun violence.
IT IS NOT THE LEGAL GUN OWNER!! I MOST LOVE THE SUMMARY. AND RECOMMEND GOING AFTER THE HIGHEST RISK FIRST. GANGS AND GROUPS!!

BUT YOU WONT SEE THAT ON TV.

 

[Hawaiian]

If the statics are true???? Then ask why the politicians are trying to disarm law abiding citizens and doing almost nothing to crack down on the gang bangers who are responsible for a large percentage of teenage shootings. They will say it is racist to go after the gang bangers as the majority are people of color. Well, to me, it seems more racist not to go after them as the majority of the young victims are also people of color.
Just watch the local news and you will notice that the majority of the shootings in Portland are gang related. A very small number of the demographic are responsible for the majority of the shootings. Notice that they don't publish any study on the number of shootings committed by legal gun owners v those who illegally possessed the gun. That statistic would not fit in with their agenda to disarm law abiding gun owners.

 

[rhollister71]

If the statics are true???? Then ask why the politicians are trying to disarm law abiding citizens and doing almost nothing to crack down on the gang bangers who are responsible for a large percentage of teenage shootings. They will say it is racist to go after the gang bangers as the majority are people of color. Well, to me, it seems more racist not to go after them as the majority of the young victims are also people of color.
Just watch the local news and you will notice that the majority of the shootings in Portland are gang related. A very small number of the demographic are responsible for the majority of the shootings. Notice that they don't publish any study on the number of shootings committed by legal gun owners v those who illegally possessed the gun. That statistic would not fit in with their agenda to disarm law abiding gun owners.

Demon crats want a dysfunctional society that is out of control so you beg the government to help and give them unbridled power. oregon has been beaten down over 40 years, just took the pandemic to unleash the criminals once they got police force down 50%.

i dare to say without a doubt that if the mounted police were still in portland downtown would look 100% different.

when crime is rampant, and most guns that are used in crimes were from theft, then you have a recipe for more violent gun crimes. doesnt take a genius to figure out the problem and solution. and if 70% of the suspects have avg 9 interactions w justice system? hmmm.. i think my 8 yr old granddaughter could solve this story problem.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Speaking only for myself....
At age 19 I thought that Ranger School....was gonna be the death of me...
Turned out it wasn't ...the lessons learned and practiced from that school might have helped save some lives with my 4 combat deployments.

Not really much to add...other than yet another...18 and 19 year olds...ain't children.
Andy

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I'd argue new guns are the problem, I don't think @Andy54Hawken guns are a problem.

Nope....my guns...or anybody else's ain't the problem.
Well....other than I still am looking for the perfect grouse gun...Hmmmm.....first world problem...
Andy