Are firearm manufacturers ramping production?

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Most gun store shelves are nearly empty since the recent firearm buying craze. There are a couple of revolvers I want, but the local stores are not getting restocked. Does anyone have a feeling if the manufacturers are ramping production to restock? It appears they are concerned about market saturation and are taking a more cautious approach.
 
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I heard the guy on GunTalk talking with a Colt representative about this and the Colt guy pointed out that increasing production and output is very difficult to do for gun manufacturers due to the skills needed, specialty machinery needed, and especially due to Covid-19 concerns and social distancing rules in effect for manufacturers.

Oh, and Colt is once again producing AR-15s for the civilian market.
 
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The market is hot because of politics. I don't see it cooling off regardless of who wins. Biden wins and it's all out gun control blitz. Trump wins and it's more violent protests. Democrats as individuals are now more 2A friendly for themselves since the Rona and Protest/Riots. As a group they still don't want others to have guns, but that's at least some progress.

Would be nice if at least DPMS and a few others killed by Remington could make a comeback. There should still be some tooling and skilled employees around. China seems to have developed protocols to allow production so I don't see that as a showstopper.
 

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Most MFG were almost at max capacity before all of this, they're doing what they can but the demand is just insane right now. I know some MFG have made less year to date than last year. The big issues are
-Having to rearrange their entire factories to have everyone 6 feet apart. It took a ton of time to move machines, reroute power, tear down walls ETC
-Extra down time every day to deal with increased cleaning
-Less staff due to people staying home to avoid getting sick and anyone who is sick at all being forced to stay home
-Less machines on the floor due to not having enough room to keep everything 6 feet apart and still have it working
-Lost efficiency due to everything being moved around and spaced out. Most stuff is usually pretty close together since it's more efficient.
-Less raw materials and other parts available due to gun MFG's suppliers dealing with the same issues as above.

Overall it's just a difficult situation all the way around, there's not much more that can be done.
 

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I don’t think there will be a ramping up of production unless Biden wins the election. The manufacturers got stung in 2016 as they anticipated an HRC victory, boosted production and then it became a buyer’s market when DJT won instead. If Trump wins, there will probably be rioting but eventually things are likely to settle down and it will be like 2018 and 2019 again for the gun market. If Biden wins, then the high demand will remain long-term... in which case significantly increasing production would make sense.
 

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This comes up every time there is a shortage that is temporary like this. Most who do not work in the industry really just can't understand how this works. The factories that make guns and ammo can not just suddenly double the output. To build more space and buy new machines is VERY expensive and they pay tax on it. Then if they double production soon the market is flooded and no one is buying the stuff they are making. So now the new machines sit idle and workers are laid off. All of this is expensive. This is why we have these panic shortages. The Co's can make plenty of the stuff until everyone tries to buy at the same time. We saw it with Toilet paper. People were literally buying it faster than the trucks could bring it to the store. Things like guns and ammo are a MUCH bigger deal to produce. No one is going to build a new plant or add on to an existing one just to watch the place sit idle when the pipe line fills again,
 

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The market is hot because of politics. I don't see it cooling off regardless of who wins. Biden wins and it's all out gun control blitz. Trump wins and it's more violent protests. Democrats as individuals are now more 2A friendly for themselves since the Rona and Protest/Riots. As a group they still don't want others to have guns, but that's at least some progress.

Would be nice if at least DPMS and a few others killed by Remington could make a comeback. There should still be some tooling and skilled employees around. China seems to have developed protocols to allow production so I don't see that as a showstopper.
I wish employees of the killed off companies would restart companies to fill the void, like Windham Weaponry did.
 

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I wish employees of the killed off companies would restart companies to fill the void, like Windham Weaponry did.
I am sure plenty would love to. Problem is it costs hell of a lot of money. Who's going to pay for it? No one will put that kind of cash into something when they know it will soon be making stuff they can't sell anymore. Most must not remember happened to the cost of things like AR's shortly after the last election. I had never in my life seen guns that cheap.
 
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"the violent protest will mostly cease to exist after the general election, if Trump wins it will be back to impeachment politics, if O'Biden pulls off a miracle, buckle up for permanent shortages."

I respectfully disagree. The gotcha/impeachment thing will ramp up, and so will the street violence. A DJT victory will send them into ever increasing paroxysms of rage, which will be made manifest as more riot, arson, and looting.
Lock and load - It's gonna get weirder before it gets better.
 
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Companies are also watching the political climate like a hawk. If they believe someone is going to get into office who has vowed to make their products illegal, why on earth would they actually invest more into equipment/capacity? I just spent the weekend with my son and his girlfriend.

Both are under 30, live in Seattle. He works for Facebook and she is a teacher.

He hasn't been to work since March and has been getting full pay for sitting at home and playing video games. He doesn't feel a bit bad about that and they were both complaining about how the country's wealth shouldn't be concentrated by the top 1% and are both in favor of socialism. They sneered at me buying guns and ammo and both only know what MSNBC tells them.

They are both oblivious to what is going on and CHOOSE to be ignorant of reality. It's heartbreaking to see.
 

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I don't remember the year exactly but maybe around 2010, everyone and their brother had started building AR15s. You couldn't keep up with their names. When I got my first AR, a Windham, they were new as a company. I remember CORE15, Radical Firearms and there were other budget companies. When did PSA start? Question is, where are those companies and how long would it take them to ramp up or be a vender to larger companies?
 

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I don't remember the year exactly but maybe around 2010, everyone and their brother had started building AR15s. You couldn't keep up with their names. When I got my first AR, a Windham, they were new as a company. I remember CORE15, Radical Firearms and there were other budget companies. When did PSA start? Question is, where are those companies and how long would it take them to ramp up or be a vender to larger companies?
Good question. PSA has been around for a long while, but only recently as a manufacturer AFAIK.

Regardless as to when they started, same as others mention would apply.

If those other manufacturers, which are no longer shops are still ready to restart (extremely unlikely), would still take time, bundles of $, and skilled machinists to get them restarted.

More likely those shops are now just shells, with equipment piecemeal’d off to wherever. In those cases, it’d be starting up from nothing.

So, the convo simply circles back towards what’s in the best interest of the Co. Downsizing, remaining static or growing.

PSA seems to have grown, and seems to have done so slowly enough to have done it well.
 
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the violent protest will mostly cease to exist after the general election, if Trump wins it will be back to impeachment politics, if O'Biden pulls off a miracle, buckle up for permanent shortages.
What is your thinking behind the protests dissipating if Trump wins? I feel the opposite for two reasons. First, with mail-in ballots it easy to accuse of cheating (because cheating is easier) and those with TDS will think there was a coup. Secondly, the shock of losing again after 4 years of legacy media propaganda, comforting narrative, and polls showing inevitable DNC win -- some people will lose their bubblegum in ways we haven't begun to see. It doesn't take that many to generate extreme chaos.
 

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What is your thinking behind the protests dissipating if Trump wins? I feel the opposite for two reasons. First, with mail-in ballots it easy to accuse of cheating (because cheating is easier) and those with TDS will think there was a coup. Secondly, the shock of losing again after 4 years of legacy media propaganda, comforting narrative, and polls showing inevitable DNC win -- some people will lose their bubblegum in ways we haven't begun to see. It doesn't take that many to generate extreme chaos.
The dems are fractured into several factions. Moderates, left and far left. Pelosi first tells them they can't have ice cream, then capitulates and says, ok. Just a little vanilla before dinner. They are the wagon pushing the horse. Who's driving?

I think, gauging from the new far left, adults with degrees, jobs and homes, the riots will continue since they were (imo) not based on the truth. What did they say a month ago and what are they saying now? Each loony is making it up as they go a long.
 

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I remember ads at Nwarmory for M&P sport ll AR at $469 on sale. I also remember rebates on pistols.
Yep! I am not into another AR but damn, some of them were getting so cheap it was hard not to buy one. I am BIG on 1911's and I kept seeing really nice specimens going for less than I paid for the newest one I have which is almost 2 decades old. I had not seen 1911's at that price since the 70's. I had to keep telling myself "you don't need another one, you don't need another one!" :D
 

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