Any NFA out there that is NOT a suppressor? Discussion?

[gomi_otaku]

Like the title says- it seems every gun forum has an NFA thread, and it's all suppressors all the time.
Anybody out there gone through the process and have their registered NFA items? Maybe stuff inherited through the family?
And no, I'm not just looking for machine gun porn...

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[wired]

Like SBR's and AOW's?

 

[Geardo]

Planning on an efile SBR this week.

 

[wired]

Didnt know you could still efile. I did a pile of efile trust form 1's 4 years ago just before I moved back to Washington ( 'cause form 1's werent legal in WA ) but I thought that went the way of the Dodo with the new trust regs.

 

[Geardo]

Didnt know you could still efile. I did a pile of efile trust form 1's 4 years ago just before I moved back to Washington ( 'cause form 1's werent legal in WA ) but I thought that went the way of the Dodo with the new trust regs.

Just came back a few weeks ago.

 

[gomi_otaku]

Looking for discussion of issues in the process of transferring estate items, or previously registered items when owner has died.
I've got an H&R Handi Gun, was registered previously. Yes, it has been dismantled into it's separate parts and stored in separate locations.
I could rifle the barrel, destroying it's provenance but making it legal. But I'd like to be able to get it registered.

 

[Member 34319]

Google ATF form 5.

 

[wired]

Lead with your question next time.

Are you the listed beneficiary of the Handigun?

 

[gomi_otaku]

No- this is a found item, but I have researched and found it is registered. So it's not as clear as finger a form 5

 

[wired]

It's just contraband at this point. You can have a sleeve made and permanently affixed to put 45 colt or something similar but you arent going to be able to register it AOW again unless you contact the actual beneficiary and transfer it from them to you on a $5 tax stamp. There is NO WAY to register it as an AOW in your name.

 

[Member 34319]

Inherited items or items given to you from relatives of deceased folks have a gray area with the ATF. Most of the time the ATF hasn't a clue the original registered person is dead. They usually are happy to have a new person assigned to the item.

It may be best though to contact a lawyer in these regards to ensure you are going about getting it registered in your name correctly.

 

[wired]

Thats not how form 5's work. He'd need to be the lawful heir or have it assigned to him at probate.

Many years ago I knew a guy who bought a grease gun at an antique shop in Oregon. Yeah, that kind of grease gun. The barrel was missing but it was otherwise intact. They thought it was a toy. He paid $50 for it. After a "while" ( OK a long while ) he contacted the ATF who ran the numbers and yeah, it had been registered to someone decades ago . He tried to see if he could register it as his own and they DEMANDED it be turned over for destruction. No way, no how.

 

[gomi_otaku]

Yeah, I somehow think a machine gun is going to be treated differently than a single shot .410 snake protection gun. With the Handi gun, if the parts are separate it is not illegal to own either part. You have a machine gun receiver in your HAND without papers you are in deep bubblegum (and yes I did say bubble gum)

 

[gomi_otaku]

Problem is finding a lawyer who knows gun law, more than is required to set up a gun trust. They are impossible to find, or are prohibitively expensive because they DO deal with transfers of high value items like machine guns .

 

[jbett98]

Dennis Brislawn is the attorney who helped me. He's in Kirkland, WA and here is his link.
I don't think the expense of an attorney's fees will offset what you're trying to keep.
A Thompson, M16 or an MP5 for sure, but not for that Handi Gun.
I would just reline the barrel.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...is-brislawn/&usg=AOvVaw2AqJbeOYouVs9FIHa9vB2c

 

[Member 34319]

I was just going to see if you could interject @jbett98 , thanks!

 

[jbett98]

The $15,000 in lawyer fee's that were paid so we could hold onto the Thompson and the suppressed Mac 11 could have easily been avoided if my late friend would have set up a gun trust.
Back then it was only $5.00 per tax stamp for inherited items, now it's free of charges.
For the money spent, I could have bought another machine gun.

 

[gomi_otaku]

I hate to do anything that changes the nature of this gun. It was owned by an historical figure. Any chance I could petition the ATF to remove this one serial number from the NFA listing? Or does a request have to come from LE or a museum?

 

[wired]

Its not legally owned by you so you cannot petition the ATF to do anything. It does not legally belong to you. It is contraband.

There is no legal difference between what you have and an unregistered machine gun so get that notion out of your head. Its an unregistered NFA device even if it was registered at some point to someone else. It was not properly transferred to you. You cannot donate it to a museum. You can render it inoperable ( essentially butcher it ) or you can make it so that that it is not an AOW. Other than turning it in for destruction those are your only options. The person who sold you that gun committed a felony. You committed a felony when you bought it. See where this discussion is going?

IF , AFTER you turn it over to the govt THEY decide to turn it over to a Museum on a form 10 it will make it to a museum. That's not going to happen. Lots of Handyguns out there.

 

[jbett98]

I was offered one of these for only $100 years ago. It wasn't registered and I politely declined the offer.
I have enough headaches in my life and possessing one of these isn't worth the novelty factor.
Better to go out and buy a Thompson Contender if you want a hand cannon.