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Why do people give guns a bad name?

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Flakman5000, Aug 25, 2009.

  1. Flakman5000

    Flakman5000 Oregon New Member

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    My point here in this is to point out how damn stupid that guy was to bring his rifle to the Obama health care debate. There is no need, it is a debate. As much I as I hate the health care plan, I do not like seeing democracy bullied. Yes, Obama is a socialist. But how many of you didn't vote? And, if you did how many really voted for the other guy. I'm not saying are system is fair, but a debate on health care reform is not the place to take a stand. How many people (innocent people) could have gotten killed? If you want to take your gun and make a point, well, the pen is mightier than the sword. Speak out, but respect the fact others have a different point of view. If it comes to war, then it does, but a gun should be respected, it should never be used to make a statement, it should be used in self-defense. This I argue is not a case of self-defense but using a gun to make a statement. Unless your willing to actually use it, why would a person do that?
     
  2. Buddhalux

    Buddhalux Hillsboro, Oregon Active Member

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    I guess that you've never heard the phrase, A right not excercised is a right lost. We have the right to firearms according to the 2nd Amendment. The individuals excercised their given rights and broke no laws. They did leave their judgement as questionable at best though.
     
  3. Flakman5000

    Flakman5000 Oregon New Member

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    No I have heard that phrase plenty, but the right to own a firearm does not give you the right to intimidate. What he was doing was intimidation.
     
  4. Flakman5000

    Flakman5000 Oregon New Member

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    Another thing. People in this country by enough arms to supply the chines military in six months. I would say I and the rest of us use our 2nd amendment right. But, people like this give the DEM's more power and incentive to take that right away. It was legal when he did it, but wait until that city council rules otherwise. And know I am pro gun all the way, but don't make threats you will not act on. what I am saying is he used the 2nd amendment to suppress other peoples rights to their first amendment.
     
  5. Buddhalux

    Buddhalux Hillsboro, Oregon Active Member

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    If you think that that was intimidation then you must of been pretty sheltered growing up.
     
  6. Flakman5000

    Flakman5000 Oregon New Member

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    If you don't think it was then your lost in translation. why else did he have it? you answer me that.
     
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    Flakman5000 Oregon New Member

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    I want that answer, since I am so sheltered an all.
     
  8. nick1980

    nick1980 Portland, OR Active Member

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    I agree 100% the guy is/was a idiot. People like that shouldn't own guns they make us all look like wild west idiots.
     
  9. Generator

    Generator Bend Member

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    If someone was open carrying anywhere in a city around a bunch of people my first instinct is that they were going to start shooting. Its a right we have, but if I strapped an AR on my back and went window shopping I'd expect the cops to come have a few words with me and then follow me home, sane people don't open carry in crowds.
     
  10. terrylf72

    terrylf72 Portland, Oregon, United States Member

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    And I still dont have enought!!

    Casue like he said, ""Just because they are'nt talking about it doesnt meen they have dropped the assult weapons ban. And becuase I can>""


    This guy RULES

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRE5UK6NQU
     
  11. Buddhalux

    Buddhalux Hillsboro, Oregon Active Member

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    If I could read minds then I could answer you as to why he was carrying a rifle as well as figure out why you think that carrying a rifle is suppressing someone's 1st amendment rights.
     
  12. nwwoodsman

    nwwoodsman Vernonia Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    What's the problem with a little intimidation? It's about damned time someone stands up. If we all just sit around with our thumbs up our butts, you'll see what real intimidation is. Only it will be coming from the left wing. It's already started.
    The fact that you own a firearm already has you classified as a low level terrorist by your federal government. You might want to start thinking about standing up for your rights.
     
  13. Jaybo

    Jaybo Olympia Washington Member

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    Do I agree with the open carry at this event?

    I think doing it at an event that the President was attending was a bit bold.

    This particular crowd of folks decided to open carry, to a rally/debate that had national attention, broke no laws, and was no where near able to cause physical harm to the President.

    I know that people open / conceal carry all the time, and just because the President of the United States is going somewhere to have a discussion, our rights shouldn't be squashed, whether it is to carry a firearm, speak or protest. The President travels with a bubble of protection, and that is protected and defended profusely and he was in no danger from this incident.

    I believe this was entirely about a group of individuals (this was not just one person) that felt they had a right to make a public statement that were not afraid to express that right. This was not racially motivated as it was reported early on, the gentleman with the AR on his back was an African-American... The point was made and it was made well. The individuals broke no laws, nor were they trampling anyones first amendment rights. How many people do you see at gay rallies holding signs that say "STOP ABORTION"..... or how many protesters showed up for funerals of fallen soldiers holding signs saying "STOP THE ILLEGAL WAR... It has nothing to do with the "scheduled event".... It's about publicity, and getting your views seen/heard or noticed on a bigger scale. The MSM is so bent on making sure that every gun owner in this country is made out to look like a complete fool, the most evil person on the planet and that all guns (not people) are bad. I really like the old saying that an armed society is a polite society. Its not intimidating or suppressing the first amendment, its just makes you think twice before you speak. :thumbup:
     
  14. JAFO

    JAFO OR, USA Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    We live in a Republic. I voted for the other guy. If a rifle slung over a shoulder intimidates you then the problem does not lie with the person who did it. Reminding those who buy power of our rights is not a bad thing. Tar and feathers would also be a good reminder to bring along.
     
  15. jimwsea

    jimwsea Vancouver, Washington state Active Member

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    Do we really know what the guy was thinking?

    Obama was not given high security at times during his campaign tour. Add to that the increased number of death threats against Obama. Maybe this guy exercised being part of the well-armed militia and wanted to make sure the president had adequate protection.
     
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    SheepDog223 Salem Well-Known Member

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    I've been thinking about this since it came to my attention also. Going back and forth. The guy did nothing illegal, but I myself would not do the same thing. I think it was not appropriate for him to display a long gun at a health care debate. It has no other possible interpratation than to imply we're going to use "these" to keep you from doing "this." What are or might be the intended or unintended consequences for that action? No other interpratation that I can see anyway. Save the display of long guns for the guncare debate.
     
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    New Oregonian Lane County Member

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    lol:bluelaugh:

    Doubt it but interesting point:thumbup:
     
  18. wakejoe

    wakejoe Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    None, apparently. ;)
     
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    gallogiro Willamette Valley Active Member

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    Thanks for clearing that up Jaybo. I was a little confused at first because I was not familiar with the story and the OP said he was intimidating and suppressing others rights. If the story happened as you say then I totally agree with his actions and with your comments.

    Why is it O.K. to carry a picket sign but taboo to carry a rifle? They are both rights we have freedom to exercise, both are being used to make a statement. Is it because a rifle can be used as a weapon? But so could the pointy end of the picket sign, right?

    Maybe I'm just rambling, but in my mind the guy was standing up for his right and apparently has a big pair of brass ones.:peace:
     
  20. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Should we change the laws because the President was there? The guy practicing his constitutional right would not have scared me. I would have been more scared of catching a stray bullet from the Secret Service taking the guy out than the guy himself.

    Does the President deserve special rights and laws for protection and my family deserves less protection? Sorry but my kids mean more to me than every president that ever served this country.
     
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