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60ft away unless they have a firearm your the aggressor if you use that thing at that distance.
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Quite frankly I would return it if it were me, and hear me out in the why.
I personally have no training on less than lethal projectile devices (small amount with batons but that's separate) if I found myself in a situation that might warrant its use, it's not beyond the possibility that I do myself an injury/incapacitation.
say the wind isn't favorable? What's the vapor clouds area of effect? Transferable between BG and yourself if it gets to grappling? Shot goes errant, follow up shot time? Cartridge doesn't puncture? What's the holster situation like(Availability and draw types)? Has it been tested on drudged or extremely determined attacker?
certainly these things can all be trained for. Or at least answered. However the question in my mind is are you willing to use it in this manner (live fire/training) to be proficient in its use in as many conceivable situations as may be needed? That's a whole lot of consumables, not to mention gassing yourself fairly regularly.
By the time you find a flaw you would no longer be able to return it and now have something that didn't deliver.
I personally believe I would be much better prepared to defend myself with the things I am trained for and would pass. I would probably use the money for something else, more training. Potentially hand to hand, or even some situational awareness training?
this is of course all JMO and YMMV.
60ft away unless they have a firearm your the aggressor if you use that thing at that distance.
excellent posts above- However you might picture yourself using it, it's is not likely to happen that way-
I'm trying to think of any realistic scenario that that would make more sense than simply leaving, especially if someone is 60ft away, I
f they are 60ft away and despite that distance you've somehow managed to become cornered, then, well, yeah.
problems- as above, wind direction , ball not splatting, ball beaking as it loads, missing your target completely as he/she rushes you, having it mistaken for a gun then realizing that the attacker has a real gun, more than one attacker etc.
If you bought it to get jollies shooting from the back of a crowd at Antifa supporters, that's one thing, but as a serious defense tool ? Have a gun, have a pocket knife, stay out of sketchy areas, don't get baited into fighting and enjoy your life. You'll be fine.
If, one in a million chance you absolutely need to defend yourself, that's why you have feet, knees, elbows and hand- the gun and knife after that.
Home invader gets shot at. With bullets. It's as straightforward as that.
I did recently buy it due to the current events and the increasing likely hood of being charged for self defense. The ball could indeed break as it loads though, that's a valid point, I've had that happen in paintball upon firing.
Though keep in mind, the 60 feet is the max distance. The max distance of a gun is far more than that, yet you still carry one. You could and statistically also will miss 80% of your shots according to Police shootouts also. But then again a gun with 20 rounds vs a gun with 5 rounds and only enough Co2 for one more 5 round magazine before having to change Co2....Hmmmm...
Yeah, I think I'll return it and get a can of bear spray. Seriously lol. I saw that being used on protesters and it's a wide cone, amazing stuff.
And lethal backup, i.e. another officer with a firearm trained on the bad guy. Less lethal is great in concept but all of them fail often. I just don't see a lot of real world scenarios where this would be a lot better than pepper spray. Maybe throw in the the trunk of your car if you don't want to part with it.The only way militaries and LE are able to use it effectively is with preparation, training and PPE.
Oh be nice.Guys, you need to start telling him he made a great purchase and he's the smarterest smarty to ever smart or he'll ignore you, too. Just wants to hear his own opinion in a deeper voice
Can you do that from 60 feet and blind them as well as mess up their ability to breathe from 60 feet by just gouging NEAR them?
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My biggest issue is that it doesn't do me any good sitting at home, in a bag or wherever. I have no room on my belt to carry it. ...
I thought it would be a good less than lethal tool, and it is effective from the videos I've seen. Only thing they say is not to keep a punctured cartridge in the gun as it will leak. The gun will fire and puncture the cartridge when the trigger is pulled so it seems like that's not a big deal, you're unlikely to use it. [REVIEW] The Byrna HD - Non-Lethal Self-Defense – Concealed Nation
What do you think, should I return it? It was $359 plus tax, about $400 total. Or is it a keeper in today's BS environment where sneezing in someone's direction is a felony?
Here is the gun....
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Byrna SD Launcher - Universal Kit
The Byrna SD (Self Defense) is the successor of the Byrna HD. It has been re-engineered for optimal performance. Powered by compressed air (CO2), the Byrna SD shoots .68 caliber round kinetic and/or chemical irritant projectiles that can disable a threat from up to 50-feet away. It is an...byrna.com
Remember the great TP shortage? Wife who still shops CostCo said they had a huge sign telling people they could NOT return the cases of TP they were walking out of there withI exchanged some shoes once, because they didn't fit. Exchanged for a different size.
I don't recall purchasing anything, and returning it, because "I didn't like it". EVER.
Why would I consider such as a thing?
Apparently, it is.
Who knew?
It's definitely good for states where you can't CCW though...But maybe I should be carrying this instead in general...