Poll: Swine flu vaccinations

[johnboy]

Tried it twice...got flu both times....no more for me. They can only innoculate you for a small part of the Flu's that are out there anyway. For me...no shot.

 

[dario541]

The huge drug conglomerates have licensed physicians on their staff. As soon as there is a report of any type of possible infectious problem anywhere in the world, these companies put their physicians (who give credibility to the public) to work writing reports on the "upcoming pandemic" or whatever it is. They then release these "doctor written reports (which are really in-house ads)" to the mass news media which dutifully report them as "news". So, the next time you see a TV reporter reporting that a flu (bird, swine, or whatever) epidemic is coming, keep in mind that this is probably an "infomercial" for Big Pharma, which smells a multi-billion dollar windfall.

 

[Chee-to]

Personally I take this threat seriously, and will get the H1N1 shot. I get a regular flu shot every year, ever since I came down with double pneumonia back in 1995. I've worked construction for many years, and in Oregon you can get really wet and cold every winter even with protective gear, and I think I've missed 6 or 7 days work in the last 13 years because of colds/flu etc. I also got the pneumonia shot. All I know is, they work for me....:winkkiss:

 

[pakrat57]

Never had a flu shot, never had the flu, I'll pass.

 

[CaseyPod]

I personally beleive the H1N1 hype is WAY overblown... Because I have already had it. I also have pre-existing health problems and I am on immunosuppressant drugs for an autoimmune disease. The swine flu was very mild compared to most seasonal flu.

The people that think the concern over it's safety is conspiracy theory 'hokum' are foolish and have not done their due diligence in research before speaking their mind. Please read on...

I have read the vaccine inserts and they contain a lot of nasty crap that I don't want injected in me. For those of you that think 'Thimerosal' is gone from vaccines - think again. There is mercury in the H1N1 vaccine. Mercury is toxic and will build up in your brain causing non-repairable damage. (there is one version that has had the thimerosal filter out- if you feel you have to get this vaccine... ask for the type without thimerosal (it was produced for pregnant women who were concerned about it).

There are also chemical adjuvants that are dangerous when injected- such as aluminum and squalene. Squalene is shark liver oil. It is fine when ingested, but very dangerous when injected. I should know... I have an autoimmune disease because of this garbage (which I got right after having a series of shots given to me by the Navy). Oh- it gets worse than squalene too... Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

Also, here is an episode of 60 Minutes that talks about the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine- which maimed and killed more people than the flu itself did.

60 Minutes part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTOXkyaFv4

60 minutes part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDXam8AGbJ4

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I really hope that folks take this warning seriously. This shot COULD harm you. Just because the TV says it is safe is no reason to ignore the warnings. I know everyone wants to dismiss this as 'Conspiracy Theory' because they told you so on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, or FOX... But the devil's greatest accomplishment is making people believe he doesn't exist.

If you don't make an informed decision for yourself- it is your own fault if you get very ill after getting vaccinated.

 

[Chee-to]

http://www.cdc.gov/H1N1flu/vaccination/pregnant_qa.htm

Does the 2009 H1N1 flu shot have an adjuvant or squalene in it?

Adjuvants are agents that are sometimes added to a vaccine to make it more effective. There are no adjuvants (such as squalene) in either the 2009 H1N1 or seasonal flu shot used in the United States.

 

[CaseyPod]

Yep and they still won't admit to it's role in causing gulf war syndrome and other diseases related to vaccination. You don't always get the full picture of what has been put into these things from the CDC. (That was for the anthrax vaccine that was forced on our troops).

Squalene is being used in other countries for H1N1. There is no telling whether the formulation will be changed as it was for the 1976 swine flu vaccine. (Without informing the public) Especially if we begin running out of it.

Fact is- there is mercury and other chemicals in the H1N1 vaccine. Different shots from different companies have different additives- but you should know that you might not get full disclosure of what vaccine YOU are taking unless you ask for the insert and READ it.... That is why I provided one of the inserts- but you will likely get another brand or formulation.

"There is virtually no science to support the safety of vaccine injections on your long-term health or the health of your children. Follow-up studies last on average about two weeks, and look only for glaring injuries and illnesses.

Autoimmune disorders like those seen in Gulf War Syndrome frequently take years to diagnose due to the vagueness of early symptoms. Complaints like headaches, fatigue and chronic aches and pains are symptoms of many different illnesses and diseases."

Really- if you have ever had the flu- it sucks... but is it worth the possible risk? Personally I don't think so. OH-- if it mutates, you are screwed anyway- because the vaccine is only good for this strain of swine flu.

But the CDC has never been wrong or never lied to the public - right? Watch the 60 minutes video I posted... You trust these people to tell you the truth??? The only way to be sure is to get a lab to test what chemicals are in your flu shot (but that is expensive- and people will just label you a conspiracy theorist if you try to tell the truth about the shot).
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It is a personal choice... Hope you enjoy your tasty vaccine Chee-to. But, I'll pass (especially since I already got the stupid swine flu and it wasn't that bad).

 

[CaseyPod]

The huge drug conglomerates have licensed physicians on their staff. As soon as there is a report of any type of possible infectious problem anywhere in the world, these companies put their physicians (who give credibility to the public) to work writing reports on the "upcoming pandemic" or whatever it is. They then release these "doctor written reports (which are really in-house ads)" to the mass news media which dutifully report them as "news". So, the next time you see a TV reporter reporting that a flu (bird, swine, or whatever) epidemic is coming, keep in mind that this is probably an "infomercial" for Big Pharma, which smells a multi-billion dollar windfall.

Yup... They have been hyping this garbage really really hard. The media is in propaganda mode.

Johnboy is correct too. There are many types of flu and they can't cover them all. The chances of the seasonal flu shot being the correct formula are slim. The swine flu is a mild illness - so if you have to risk the shot or get the flu -- I would rather have a few days quarantined at home.

I don't think the government is malicious either... but I have worked for the government for a long time now and many bureaucrats have a problem telling the truth. Especially when the heat is on - and it will hurt their 'special interests' (big pharma is probably one of the largest special interest groups)

 

[Chee-to]

Originally Posted by dario541 View Post
The huge drug conglomerates have licensed physicians on their staff. As soon as there is a report of any type of possible infectious problem anywhere in the world, these companies put their physicians (who give credibility to the public) to work writing reports on the "upcoming pandemic" or whatever it is. They then release these "doctor written reports (which are really in-house ads)" to the mass news media which dutifully report them as "news". So, the next time you see a TV reporter reporting that a flu (bird, swine, or whatever) epidemic is coming, keep in mind that this is probably an "infomercial" for Big Pharma, which smells a multi-billion dollar windfall.

Come on, pharmaceutical companies, doctors, and hospitals stand to make a lot more money from an uncontrolled pandemic than from its prevention. The money spent on antivirals, antibiotics, sedation and pain medications, physician and hospital billing for the 200,000 people hospitalized in the US during a normal flu season would compensate them far better than profits from vaccine sales.

 

[CaseyPod]

http://www.cdc.gov/H1N1flu/vaccination/pregnant_qa.htm

Does the 2009 H1N1 flu shot have an adjuvant or squalene in it?

Adjuvants are agents that are sometimes added to a vaccine to make it more effective. There are no adjuvants (such as squalene) in either the 2009 H1N1 or seasonal flu shot used in the United States.

I felt the need to respond to this statement directly. 1) I didn't say that the H1N1 had the squalene in it. But, other flu shots/ and non-flu vaccines have had these adjuvants in them in the past. The government is encouraging you to get 3-4 shots this year depending on your age group for just this flu season... (Even if you just add up the small doses of mercury over many years- it is BAD news. Hint: Alzheimer's or other neurological disorders maybe?) HEAVY METALS ARE BAD FOR YOUR BRAIN....

2) Both Squalene and Aluminum are used as adjuvants and both can cause serious problems. (A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis. The researchers concluded the study raised questions about the role of adjuvants in chronic inflammatory diseases.)

3) I am telling you as someone who has suffered the affects of this. I have personal experience with autoimmune disease. I don't want to discuss what illnesses I have on this forum, but they occurred immediately after the series of vaccines given to me by the Navy. I was given the diagnosis and an explanation of what the vaccines did by a specialist and a neurologist who tested me for the adjuvants.

4)You can deny it all you want.
I has already affected me. It may never affect YOU. But it might affect your kids or your friends or other folks that you know. Doctors will probably scratch their heads and speculate on why your loved one got this horrible disease. If you can honestly tell me that you think aluminum, mercury, etc... are good to inject straight into your blood stream- then this conversation is pointless.

 

[Chee-to]

I felt the need to respond to this statement directly. 1) I didn't say that the H1N1 had the squalene in it. But, other flu shots/ and non-flu vaccines have had these adjuvants in them in the past. The government is encouraging you to get 3-4 shots this year depending on your age group for just this flu season... (Even if you just add up the small doses of mercury over many years- it is BAD news. Hint: Alzheimer's or other neurological disorders maybe?) HEAVY METALS ARE BAD FOR YOUR BRAIN....

2) Both Squalene and Aluminum are used as adjuvants and both can cause serious problems. (A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis. The researchers concluded the study raised questions about the role of adjuvants in chronic inflammatory diseases.)

3) I am telling you as someone who has suffered the affects of this. I have personal experience with autoimmune disease. I don't want to discuss what illnesses I have on this forum, but they occurred immediately after the series of vaccines given to me by the Navy. I was given the diagnosis and an explanation of what the vaccines did by a specialist and a neurologist who tested me for the adjuvants.

4)You can deny it all you want.
I has already affected me. It may never affect YOU. But it might affect your kids or your friends or other folks that you know. Doctors will probably scratch their heads and speculate on why your loved one got this horrible disease. If you can honestly tell me that you think aluminum, mercury, etc... are good to inject straight into your blood stream- then this conversation is pointless.

Maybe not, but it was implied;

I have read the vaccine inserts and they contain a lot of nasty crap that I don't want injected in me. For those of you that think 'Thimerosal' is gone from vaccines - think again. There is mercury in the H1N1 vaccine. Mercury is toxic and will build up in your brain causing non-repairable damage. (there is one version that has had the thimerosal filter out- if you feel you have to get this vaccine... ask for the type without thimerosal (it was produced for pregnant women who were concerned about it).

There are also chemical adjuvants that are dangerous when injected- such as aluminum and squalene. Squalene is shark liver oil. It is fine when ingested, but very dangerous when injected. I should know... I have an autoimmune disease because of this garbage (which I got right after having a series of shots given to me by the Navy). Oh- it gets worse than squalene too... Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

This thread is about the H1N1 vaccine, I was merely pointing out that chemical adjutants such as Squalene are not present.

I'm really sorry about your illness, and glad you had a mild form of H1N1, but don't minimize it's potential.

"Health officials said Friday that 76 children have died of H1N1 flu (also known as swine flu), including 16 new reports in the past week - more evidence the new virus is unusually dangerous in kids.

The regular flu kills between 46 and 88 children a year, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.

With H1N1 flu cases increasing throughout most of the country, more deaths are likely, Dr. Anne Schuchat said at a press conference Friday."

"The CDC doesn't have an exact count of all H1N1 flu deaths and hospitalizations, but existing reports suggest the infection has caused more than 600 deaths and more than 9,000 hospitalizations since it was first identified in April."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/09/health/main5374851.shtml

You say it's all hype and don't get the shot. Getting a mild form of H1N1 and suffering from a autoimmune disease really doesn't qualify you as an expert on H1N1.
I in no way mean to minimize the seriousness or the suffering from autoimmune disease.

I'm not advocating everybody needs to get the H1N1 vaccine for their kids, or for themselves, that's a personal decision that needs some serious scrutiny of both sides of the coin.

Of coarse I reload and I'm not afraid of lead poisoning either (I take precautions).....

 

[CaseyPod]

Of coarse I reload and I'm not afraid of lead poisoning either (I take precautions).....

You don't inject the lead into you - do you?
Why do doctors tell pregnant women to avoid eating lots of fish? Mercury. Mercury is poison. period. Even micrograms can build up after a few shots. Or after consuming lots of fish- but injections go through the bloodstream to the brain quicker than eating fish would.

I never claimed to be an expert. I just wanted to share some information and present my point of view. I did however have an expert tell me that the adjuvants in some of the vaccines I was given were the cause of my illness. He was a neurologist that had worked on studies involving heavy metals in his graduate coursework.

The government and big pharma lied about the 1976 incident. I provided video clips of 60 minutes. It is something to consider... There are a lot of doctors that would warn you against taking shots- especially untested ones.

I even said it is a personal choice whether or not you get it- if you feel the risk is worth it. Maybe it is worth it to someone at risk of the flu who might actually die of it.

But, I hope I have given some decent info to folks that might be wary of the flu shot. There are a lot of good documents on the web to back up my statements.

I just hope people do their due diligence and investigate these things.

 

[Chee-to]

You don't inject the lead into you - do you?
Why do doctors tell pregnant women to avoid eating lots of fish? Mercury. Mercury is poison. period. Even micrograms can build up after a few shots. Or after consuming lots of fish- but injections go through the bloodstream to the brain quicker than eating fish would.

I never claimed to be an expert. I just wanted to share some information and present my point of view. I did however have an expert tell me that the adjuvants in some of the vaccines I was given were the cause of my illness. He was a neurologist that had worked on studies involving heavy metals in his graduate coursework.

The government and big pharma lied about the 1976 incident. I provided video clips of 60 minutes. It is something to consider... There are a lot of doctors that would warn you against taking shots- especially untested ones.

I even said it is a personal choice whether or not you get it- if you feel the risk is worth it. Maybe it is worth it to someone at risk of the flu who might actually die of it.

But, I hope I have given some decent info to folks that might be wary of the flu shot. There are a lot of good documents on the web to back up my statements.

I just hope people do their due diligence and investigate these things.

You know, that just goes to show you, people that should be in the know, I assume you have firearms and shoot, sometimes don't. Check the lead warning on any box of ammo. People don't get lead poising from injecting it.

http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/dc/OH/shooting.html#bullet

Lead exposure occurs in indoor firing ranges when proper environmental and occupational health controls are not in place to effectively protect the health of shooters and firing range staff from exposure to lead. Common types of exposures are from inhalation (breathing in lead dust) or ingestion (swallowing lead dust, usually from contaminated hands or food).

Workers are commonly exposed to airborne lead when using ammunition with primers containing lead styphnate or lead bullets. Shooters or anyone in the firing range can be exposed to lead fumes from the "gun smoke" or the lead dust that is released into the air when the gun is fired. Workers can also be exposed to airborne lead dust when cleaning the range and guns or emptying bullet trays.

Workers and hobby shooters can also ingest lead when eating, drinking or smoking. Lead dust can settle on hands, lunchroom surfaces or food and drink. Workers and shooters should wash their hands and face immediately after shooting, cleaning firearms, picking up spent casings/pellets or reloading ammunition, and before eating, drinking or smoking.

Workers and hobby shooters can also carry lead home on their clothing and skin and potentially expose their families to toxic levels of lead. Lead in the home is especially dangerous for children and women of childbearing age

Bullet Loading and Casting Bullets

Bullet loading or melting lead to cast bullets are also common sources of lead exposure. These processes produce a fume that turns into tiny dust particles and can be inhaled or ingested. Proper safety precautions, such as never loading bullets in an unventilated area, inside the home or around children, and wearing proper personal protective equipment (PPE) must be taken to prevent lead exposure when loading bullets.
Exposure to lead can cause lead poisoning. Lead can affect the brain, nerves, red blood cells, kidneys and reproductive systems of both men and women. Common symptoms of acute (short-term) lead poisoning are loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, stomach cramps, constipation, difficulty sleeping, fatigue, moodiness, headache, joint or muscle aches, anemia and decreased sexual drive. Chronic (long-term) overexposure to lead may result in severe damage to the blood-forming, nervous, urinary and reproductive systems. Chronic poisoning usually occurs when small amounts of lead gradually build up in the body and result in temporary or permanent damage. An elevated blood lead level test indicates that lead is building up in the body faster than it can be eliminated.


Symptoms may not always be visible. It is important to consult with your doctor if you think you have been exposed to lead or have lead poisoning.

Almost as scary as the flu shot, huh..........
If you shoot or handle ammo regularly you have a greater chance of being poisoned by heavy medals than getting a flu shot once a year..Hence the precautions.

 

[Gunner3456]

My wife is a hospital administrator and has a masters degree in health care risk management in addition to other medical degrees.

She attended a several day workshop on these flu issues for this year for the hospital.

She has to have both inoculations due to her work, but doesn't want me to get the swine flu vaccination.

Maybe she loves me, or maybe she wants to collect my life insurance. Who knows?

 

[dario541]

When I was young, I never knew anybody that was autistic. Yet, today we are told that 1 out of 98 babies are born autistic. WHY? WHAT HAPPENED? Where did this insidious disease come from? This is a HORRIBLE satistic! Think about it! These children will NEVER live a normal life! They will NEVER have a home, job or families of their own! Someone else will have to take care of them their ENTIRE LIVES! And, we are talking about MILLIONS of them! WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF THIS?
Well there are plenty of people, including doctors, who believe that this hideous epedemic started with the MANDATORY childhood vaccination programs 20 or 30 years ago. I hear "experts" all the time who say " Oh, no! Those immunization programs are NOT the cause! We know that!" But, ask them the real cause and they say: "WE don't know." Now, isn't that something? They DO NOT KNOW THE CAUSE OF THIS DISEASE, BUT THEY KNOW THAT IT IS NOT THE VACCINES GIVEN TO NEW-BORN BABIES! what idiots we have running our health system!
These child-hood vaccines contain the same toxic waste products as the flu shots - MERCURY, ALUMINUM, FORMALDEHYDE, ANTIFREEZE (GLYCOL), and who knows WHAT ELSE?
Excuse me for getting emotional, but I have an autistic grandchild. The poor guy will never live a normal life. I think that if there is any possibility that these poisons that are constantly being injected into people's bodies could even remotely be the cause of the rampant new diseases that we Americans are getting, they should be suspended and HONEST studies made of their abilities to control disease and NOT cause it.

 

[Chee-to]

When I was young, I never knew anybody that was autistic. Yet, today we are told that 1 out of 98 babies are born autistic. WHY? WHAT HAPPENED? Where did this insidious disease come from? This is a HORRIBLE satistic! Think about it! These children will NEVER live a normal life! They will NEVER have a home, job or families of their own! Someone else will have to take care of them their ENTIRE LIVES! And, we are talking about MILLIONS of them! WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF THIS?
Well there are plenty of people, including doctors, who believe that this hideous epedemic started with the MANDATORY childhood vaccination programs 20 or 30 years ago. I hear "experts" all the time who say " Oh, no! Those immunization programs are NOT the cause! We know that!" But, ask them the real cause and they say: "WE don't know." Now, isn't that something? They DO NOT KNOW THE CAUSE OF THIS DISEASE, BUT THEY KNOW THAT IT IS NOT THE VACCINES GIVEN TO NEW-BORN BABIES! what idiots we have running our health system!
These child-hood vaccines contain the same toxic waste products as the flu shots - MERCURY, ALUMINUM, FORMALDEHYDE, ANTIFREEZE (GLYCOL), and who knows WHAT ELSE?
Excuse me for getting emotional, but I have an autistic grandchild. The poor guy will never live a normal life. I think that if there is any possibility that these poisons that are constantly being injected into people's bodies could even remotely be the cause of the rampant new diseases that we Americans are getting, they should be suspended and HONEST studies made of their abilities to control disease and NOT cause it.

When is the last time you heard of anybody with polio ?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-04-10-polio-vaccine-50-years_x.htm

People celebrated. Church bells rang. In 1952, there had been more than 57,000 cases in the USA, but within two years of Francis' announcement, the incidence of polio dropped as much as to 90%. The last naturally acquired case in the USA was in 1979.

Since then, international vaccination efforts have drastically reduced polio all over the world. Last year, says the World Health Organization, there were 1,263 cases, down from 350,000 in 1988. Scientists say they're on track to be able to declare the disease eradicated by the end of 2008.

The Global Polio Eradication Initiative began in 1988, led by WHO, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the United Nations Children's Fund and Rotary International. Rotary's PolioPlus program, which began in 1985, has contributed more than $500 million to polio eradication worldwide.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0816/is_7_18/ai_58537479/

Our very success with infant and childhood vaccines during the past 40 years has paradoxically proven to be one of our major liabilities in maintaining high levels of immunization for today's infants and children.

In the 1950s, parents and grandparents were personally familiar with the annual summer-autumn devastations of polio with 25,000 or more victims ending up with braces, crutches, wheelchairs, or in iron lungs. Similarly, the vision of a child choking and strangling from obstruction to breathing caused by diphtheria was well recognized by families in that same era.

Most recently the millions of cases of measles that occurred every year have become increasingly rare. The pneumonia, diarrhea, and ear infections which complicated large numbers of measles patients were even less frightening than the encephalitis which claimed a smaller number, perhaps 1 in 1,000. Those who survived were left with deficits ranging from severe mental retardation to paralysis and seizures.

In one year in the 1960s, more than 25,000 infants were born with major malformations including deafness, blindness, congenital heart disease, and mental retardation due to rubella virus (causing German Measles) infecting their pregnant mothers. Once again a disorder of that magnitude has nearly disappeared thanks to effective rubella virus vaccines.

Today's young parents have rarely if ever seen the toll of these diseases because of the success of our vaccine programs that prevent them.

 

[CaseyPod]

The flu is a far cry from Polio... I won't deny that vaccines have their value. But people don't take the side effects into consideration. Some side effects can be much worse than an uncomfortable week of flu symptoms. (and Yes - I know that people die from the flu. Mostly elderly or chronically ill like myself) The potential for harm is something that you need to consider.
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And yes... I know what the warnings are for lead. It is really bad stuff. But, you can take precautions to avoid getting lead poisoning.

I am just trying to make a point... you wouldn't eat the lead. Even small amounts. You wouldn't put it into a solution and inject it in you.

Mercury is very bad stuff. If you are denying that - then you are naive.

I am extracting myself from this conversation. I think I have made my arguments and I have no need to bicker with you Chee-to. It is a free country - do as you please.

 

[Chee-to]

The flu is a far cry from Polio... I won't deny that vaccines have their value. But people don't take the side effects into consideration. Some side effects can be much worse than an uncomfortable week of flu symptoms. (and Yes - I know that people die from the flu. Mostly elderly or chronically ill like myself) The potential for harm is something that you need to consider.
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And yes... I know what the warnings are for lead. It is really bad stuff. But, you can take precautions to avoid getting lead poisoning.

I am just trying to make a point... you wouldn't eat the lead. Even small amounts. You wouldn't put it into a solution and inject it in you.

Mercury is very bad stuff. If you are denying that - then you are naive.

I am extracting myself from this conversation. I think I have made my arguments and I have no need to bicker with you Chee-to. It is a free country - do as you please.

 

[dario541]

Hi, Cheeto:

Thanks for reminding me of Doctor Jonas Salk, who found a cure for polio. Dr. Salk was a great man, a fine doctor and a brilliant scientist.
During the last 100 years or so, the Medical Establishment has adopted procedures that are designed - not to CURE illnesses - but to continually treat them. This neccesitates constant office calls and the use of drug therapy. This insures that a patient will have to return for periodic tests and medicines - becoming a "cash cow". As long as Dr.Salk followed the "standard" procedure, he never had a problem.
However, his wife contacted polio. Dr Salk was outraged that there was NO CURE available for this illness. He did not want his wife to have to spend the rest of her life living with this disease. So, he sat out to find a "CURE"! He locked himself in his lab and dedicated 6 months to the development of a cure for Infantile Paralysis (Polio). And, he succeeded!
The world hailed Dr. Salk as a hero, but some members of the medical establihment were livid with anger towards him. "You have destroyed a BILLION dollar industry!" some told him. That was in 1954 or 55 when - if you said 1 billion dollars - you were talking about REAL MONEY!
After that the Establishment fought hard to prevent any more cures. For 60 years I have been hearing the cancer societies pleading for money - "We just need a little bit more. We're only this ) ( far from a cure!" And all that has happened during that time was that cancer went from striking 1 out of 4 to 1 out of 2. And look at the hemorrhaging growth of diabetes, heart trouble, obesity, altzheimers, artheritis, and new-fangled diseases like lupus, AIDS, Legionaire's Disease, mad cow disease and flesh-eating disease. And every year a new strain of influenza. The medical people must have made in the trillions of dollars by now!
Now, let's move ahead to the 70's. Dr. Lorraine Day IS a great woman, a fine doctor and a brilliant scientist. For years she practiced medicine as well as teaching in universities. She often spoke at medical schools and taught future physicians. For 10 years she was an emergency room physician at a Large hospital in San Francisco.
One day, she found a lump in her breast. Her phsician colleagues were, of course, anxious to remove her breast. A number of them told her that she had cancer and there was NO OTHER WAY to treat it. She felt that there must be a better way and she FOUND IT! Read her story at http://www.drday.com. (Avoid her political website!)
When she returned to her colleagues completely HEALED, they started a smear campaign saying that she NEVER had cancer (Were they wrong before or after she was healed?). Her former co-workers and friends called her a "Quack!".She thought that the world would beat a path to her door to learn of her cancer cure but WRONG! There is NO MONEY in natural cures so naturally doctors and drug companies are not interested in them. Cancer is a multi-billion dollar industry and it will fight anyone who gets in its way!
And that goes for the multitud of other illnesses that curse America. If there's no money in it, big medicine isn't interested! Dario

 

[Carpenter98312]

What if a school gives your child a shot without your consent? What can you do?