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How many firefights are ya'all expecting to get into? How many of those are you expecting to survive?
If all you have is what you've got on you, two or three engagements over time will seriously deplete your stocks. If your threat includes bands of rogue federal agents or police (armed with their M4s & Glocks), you MAY want to increase your levels of training and equipage.
We are, after all, discussing worst-case fabric-of-society-destroyed scenarios here. What would have happened during Katrina if the law-abiding citizens in their neighborhoods refused to be disarmed? (From what I have heard from members of the Oregon Guard who were sent there to help: They were not called upon to disarm the populace - that was ALL local police.)
True enough. That's why staying home is a good idea. But honestly, these "engagements" we're getting into, are we seriously using squad-sized elements to tactically eliminate another equally sized group? I think both groups leadership needs to be smacked upside the head. If your five armed guys are confronted with five other armed guys and the possibility of peaceful communication is out of the question for some reason, then it's time to make a hasty retreat using as little ammunition as possible. Especially if either group has women, children, or other noncombatants in it. These "Stand and Fight" scenarios just don't play out well for either side as far as survival goes. Any group that openly attacks another armed group has to be psychotic beyond just desperation.
A knife and a pair of quiet shoes are my standardized ammunition. If I feel like I have to kill people to survive, I'd rather do it when they can't fight back.Bob D, you hit the nail on the head. In asymmetrical warfare, you have to understand that there is no backup, no resupply, no support. If you get hurt, you just lowered your chances of survival. If you must engage, hit-and-run! Don't stick around and try to hold the fort unless you can eliminate the threat with almost no danger to you. An injury, especially a GSW, is a game-changer.
True enough. That's why staying home is a good idea. But honestly, these "engagements" we're getting into, are we seriously using squad-sized elements to tactically eliminate another equally sized group? I think both groups leadership needs to be smacked upside the head. If your five armed guys are confronted with five other armed guys and the possibility of peaceful communication is out of the question for some reason, then it's time to make a hasty retreat using as little ammunition as possible. Especially if either group has women, children, or other noncombatants in it. These "Stand and Fight" scenarios just don't play out well for either side as far as survival goes. Any group that openly attacks another armed group has to be psychotic beyond just desperation.
While you are correct in your assessment of asymmetrical warfare, Mike, I was referring to the tactics employed in asymmetrical conflict. Guerrilla tactics work against a large superior force as well as small groups.
Every NatGuard Armory has a Lock-up with firearms for all of their personnel. (M-16/M-4s, M9s, a couple of 249s or 240Bs, and the occasional .50 machine gun or Mk19 grenade launcher.) What they don't have at almost all of them is ammunition. That's all stored at a much more secure location, with plans in existence to distribute it rapidly and safely should the S hit the F and communication is still working properly. Unless you know where that location is, and can somehow access it through what will be an armed-to-the-teeth group of highly trained and well-equipped military, then you're better off finding ammo at the nearest redneck's house than trying to get anything from an Armory. Even many of the soldiers that do manage to get to their duty station at the NG armory will find their combat gear isn't worth a damn until their chain of command gets orders from higher to distribute the weapons and the ammo once that gets there.
How many firefights are ya'all expecting to get into?
How many of those are you expecting to survive?
I retired from the Army after just over 20 years. Everyone knew where the Ammo Point was. In a career you would probably be in one of the ammo bunkers many times to draw or turn in ammo. Although there are signs posted that Lethal Force is Authorized to Trespassers at Ammo Dumps I would seriously doubt that anyone could cite an incident where that has happened.
I retired from the Army after just over 20 years. Everyone knew where the Ammo Point was. In a career you would probably be in one of the ammo bunkers many times to draw or turn in ammo. Although there are signs posted that Lethal Force is Authorized to Trespassers at Ammo Dumps I would seriously doubt that anyone could cite an incident where that has happened.
Umitila
I suggest PPL here read up on the most recent LA Riots (Rodney King)
there was NO LEO pressance, NO NG pressance for 4 days, LA Police hunkered down at city hall and watched TV. The situation was pre-planned and a billion Pre-Obama dollars went up in smoke, members of Non-Entitled-Races were raped, murdered and burnt alive by cheap thugs with a empty beer bottle and .50 worth of gasoline.
This time there will be an army armed with explicit instructions pre-loaded in lap tops. GPS/Cenus data cross referanced with Google Earth.
expect Soviet infantry weapons, IEDs MFG in Venezuala weilded by Cartel and Jihadies
watch for the Red, Green, Black and Brown T-shirts and scarves