Oregon So what are the options if Initiative Petition 43 goes through?

[wired]

Exactly so. But at some point, and I pray it doesn't come to this, the men and women in law enforcement may have to face the choice of risking their careers and livelihoods or remaining quite and becoming Stasi. I don't envy that quandary in the least.

The Stasi never had any problems recruiting.

Human nature has always been to follow the leader.

 

[USMC-03]

The Stasi never had any problems recruiting.

Human nature has always been to follow the leader.

Agreed, there are always those who gravitate towards lording over their fellow men; they readily seek out tyrants to follow. Others have no foundational principals and fall into the trap without realizing it. It's a common theme throughout history.

My expectation is that, at least at the state and county level, there are still people of integrity who see service as a calling and will defend liberty. How many I can't say.

 

[arakboss]

Good chance it goes to court and gets overturned but it'll take years. If you just keep them out of sight what's going to happen? No one is coming door to door.

I agree that there won't be a systematic door to door operation to find banned weapons. But let's say you are forced to defend yourself and shoot an intruder in your home or there is a burglary of your home, etc. There will be a search of your home at that point and if you have unregistered weapons, it won't look good for you.

 

[3MTA3]

I agree that there won't be a systematic door to door operation to find banned weapons. But let's say you are forced to defend yourself and shoot an intruder in your home or there is a burglary of your home, etc. There will be a search of your home at that point and if you have unregistered weapons, it won't look good for you.

This needs to be kept in mind if you choose not to register. Mine would be headed out of state if this monstrosity passes or Tyrant Brown gets her legislative wish, but not everyone can or would be willing to do that.

 

[E4mafia]

I agree that there won't be a systematic door to door operation to find banned weapons. But let's say you are forced to defend yourself and shoot an intruder in your home or there is a burglary of your home, etc. There will be a search of your home at that point and if you have unregistered weapons, it won't look good for you.

That would require way to much man power and logistics to go span an entire city door to door. Plus with the elevated risk of encountering hostile resistance on top of the law enforcement being humans themselves and likely not agreeing with this it would be suicide to put that many boots on ground to enforce unless if it were an extreme case. I talked on this briefly before I think earlier in this thread or another but basically it boiled down to too much liability and red tape preventing a mass search/seizure.

This needs to be kept in mind if you choose not to register. Mine would be headed out of state if this monstrosity passes or Tyrant Brown gets her legislative wish, but not everyone can or would be willing to do that.

As aforementioned above, they would only be able to do so much before they feel the backlash especially if there is a lot of collateral damage and false evidence with the registry, basically if only 30 people work the FICS for OSP currently and it takes them awhile to process checks at times. Imagine the entire 4million+ population of the state hitting their system at once. I highly doubt the mainframes they use could handle that much traffic at once to sustain functional status if a enforced registry were to pass. That would cost the state quite the pretty penny to upgrade and maintain/rent server room for a Data Hall to hold that much information. They would need an entire dedicated building to just that or a few. Even if they went the extreme route and involved the national guard, I highly doubt they would do the same as the police to come knock door to door or even feel like upholding a command about basically seizing and attacking your own home soil/people. Its just too much logistics/effort/man power/money needed to effectively bring everyone in the state under the spotlight for just wanting to put a serial number in a storage device.

Also take into account, the mass panic that would ensue say if there was resistance that would not quietly sit back and let their freedoms be thwarted by some crony politician. Once a pop goes off I guarantee most would panic and start a type of proxy conflict that would cause even more chaos for the surrounding areas once the media gets on scene and blows it out of proportion. Gotta remember, people are animals at heart of our nature end of the day. Its just way to much for the Dems to hope to contain if they were to try and enact such a hollywood idea into fruition without much after thought beyond virtue signals.

 

[arakboss]

That would require way to much man power and logistics to go span an entire city door to door. Plus with the elevated risk of encountering hostile resistance on top of the law enforcement being humans themselves and likely not agreeing with this it would be suicide to put that many boots on ground to enforce unless if it were an extreme case. I talked on this briefly before I think earlier in this thread or another but basically it boiled down to too much liability and red tape preventing a mass search/seizure.



As aforementioned above, they would only be able to do so much before they feel the backlash especially if there is a lot of collateral damage and false evidence with the registry, basically if only 30 people work the FICS for OSP currently and it takes them awhile to process checks at times. Imagine the entire 4million+ population of the state hitting their system at once. I highly doubt the mainframes they use could handle that much traffic at once to sustain functional status if a enforced registry were to pass. That would cost the state quite the pretty penny to upgrade and maintain/rent server room for a Data Hall to hold that much information. They would need an entire dedicated building to just that or a few. Even if they went the extreme route and involved the national guard, I highly doubt they would do the same as the police to come knock door to door or even feel like upholding a command about basically seizing and attacking your own home soil/people. Its just too much logistics/effort/man power/money needed to effectively bring everyone in the state under the spotlight for just wanting to put a serial number in a storage device.

My point was if you have unregistered weapons and there is ever a cause for police to investigate your home they will likely notice your weapons and inquire about the whether they are registered or not. They will have plenty of manpower to investigate your weapons if you for example, have shot an intruder in your home.

 

[E4mafia]

My point was if you have unregistered weapons and there is ever a cause for police to investigate your home they will likely notice your weapons and inquire about the whether they are registered or not. They will have plenty of manpower to investigate your weapons if you for example, have shot an intruder in your home.

True that is. But eventually it would span into mass efforts if more were happening. So at first they'll make examples out of folk hoping to contain any further resistance but there are always people who resist so by enforcing something like this they would only be making it worse for everyone long run honestly. I do have sympathy for those who are only doing the right thing by defending themselves or their property/family but I just cannot fully see, especially now with how much attention has been put on this very issue, it passing come November. Especially since they've been getting tied up in courts. Sure there are those that would trade civil liberties and freedoms for security but they're only hoping to vote in acceleration-ism on short sighted goals.

Really hope this helps put things into perspective for voters come November, this season is greatly important to cast your vote and in the state of Oregon you can vote by mail!.

Good discussion though. I like seeing peoples inputs around here.

 

[PDXbiker]

Look at some of the other states back east which have similar bans. No one is going around kicking down doors unless you're a felon to begin with. Just don't show up at the yearly block party to show off your unregistered gun. Or get stopped speeding on the way to the range with it laying on the back seat. I'll keep mine locked in a safe, only coming out when I shoot or clean it. It will soon become apparent many individuals are not registering their firearms once the registration period ends. It will then be up to the state to comb through the massive paperwork pile to see who bought what. And that wouldn't even cover private sales or non serial numbered hi cap magazines. Good luck with that. One scenario would be that you may then get a notice in the mail stating "our records indicate you purchased xyz firearm which has not been registered per law xyz and can no longer be legally owned in Oregon. Please sign and return this form if you no longer own or possess this firearm within Oregon". And in my opinion I'll be dead and gone before anyone even bothers to see that I own that 50 year old 13 round tube fed magazine .22lr plinker rifle that Uncle Joe gave me.

 

[tiggers97]

For magazines? Keep buying as usual. Just look for a manufacturer date.

Per Penny Okomato herself, it isn't workable. But 'magazine description " would be used....

 

[arakboss]

For magazines? Keep buying as usual. Just look for a manufacturer date.

Per Penny Okomato herself, it isn't workable. But 'magazine description " would be used....

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Who is Penny Okomato?

 

[E4mafia]

Who is Penny Okomato?

Shes the leader of Ceasefire Oregon, or should I say Executive Director of it anyway.

A quick online search brought this up:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/penny-okamoto-70683a23

Guess she also had a run in with the guy who did Laughing at Liberals:

 

[arakboss]

Shes the leader of Ceasefire Oregon, or should I say Executive Director of it anyway.

Thanks. When are they going to do another buyback or have they figured out how unproductive it is?

 

[3MTA3]

For magazines? Keep buying as usual. Just look for a manufacturer date.

Per Penny Okomato herself, it isn't workable. But 'magazine description " would be used....

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What a dullard. Must be a close relative of Merkley

 

[E4mafia]

Thanks. When are they going to do another buyback or have they figured out how unproductive it is?

Dunno, but I remember reading about it awhile ago (like last month I think?) and was curious behind the legality of their "buy backs" and if they follow BCG's or other laws applicable to it or not. Something on their site in wording made me question the whole thing.

As for turn ins:
Gun Turn-in – Ceasefire Oregon Education Foundation

last one was Feb 3rd 2018 in Newport.

Recent Turn-ins
Our most recent turn-in was February 3, 2018 in Newport, Oregon. All weapons collected were removed from circulation and melted down.

The line in question about legality for me,

The Ceasefire Oregon Education Foundation has sponsored gun turn-ins since 1994. A gun turn-in helps people safely dispose of unwanted guns with no questions asked.

Following that with:
2016 54 (includes 2 assault rifles & 2 stolen guns)

 

[partsed]

Probably married to the Chiropractor Paul Okamoto in Portland.....

 

[E4mafia]

Probably married to the Chiropractor Paul Okamoto in Portland.....

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[3MTA3]

Thanks. When are they going to do another buyback or have they figured out how unproductive it is?

Note - you can make a shotgun for a little over $12 from things you can get at Home Depot (except for the BB "firing pin"). Best part is that it's a "slam fire" action.


Surplus stores also sometimes have the leftover Fiberglas shell of a one time use weapon for about the same amount. They fall for it every time as does the local news which will report that a bazooka, rocket launcher or somesuch was turned in "off the street".

 

[arakboss]

Dunno, but I remember reading about it awhile ago (like last month I think?) and was curious behind the legality of their "buy backs" and if they follow BCG's or other laws applicable to it or not. Something on their site in wording made me question the whole thing.

As for turn ins:
Gun Turn-in – Ceasefire Oregon Education Foundation

last one was Feb 3rd 2018 in Newport.

Recent Turn-ins
Our most recent turn-in was February 3, 2018 in Newport, Oregon. All weapons collected were removed from circulation and melted down.

The line in question about legality for me,

The Ceasefire Oregon Education Foundation has sponsored gun turn-ins since 1994. A gun turn-in helps people safely dispose of unwanted guns with no questions asked.

Following that with:
2016 54 (includes 2 assault rifles & 2 stolen guns)

I hope they didn't melt down somebody's stolen guns.

 

[arakboss]

Note - you can make a shotgun for a little over $12 from things you can get at Home Depot (except for the BB "firing pin"). Best part is that it's a "slam fire" action.
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Surplus stores also sometimes have the leftover Fiberglas shell of a one time use weapon for about the same amount. They fall for it every time as does the local news which will report that a bazooka, rocket launcher or somesuch was turned in "off the street".

Is the assault weapon in your photo fully or semi?

 

[3MTA3]

Is the assault weapon in your photo fully or semi?

As we all know "slamming" is far more violent than merely "bumpng", so a "slam fire" weapon MUST be worse than a "bump fire" weapon, so that places it somewhere between the shoulder thing that goes up and a nukulur missile.