Oregon So what are the options if Initiative Petition 43 goes through?

[3MTA3]

Options if IP 43 passes:

- move away from Oregon
- stay and fight the good fight
- don't comply
- do Patriot stuff in Salem
- shift to 7 & 8 round .357 revolvers
(Because nothing blows a progressives mind quite like a "high capacity revolver")

Expect a ban on fully double action revolvers...

 

[nammac]

Expect a ban on fully double action revolvers...

Unfortunately, that'll be step two.

Need a pair of 1873's in .45 LC...

Then a slingshot...

Then rocks...

They're intent in driving us back to the dark ages...

 

[wired]

I do get it about the milder winter weather. Can't argue with that, except that most of Idaho probably gets a lot more sun than we do west of the Cascades. You'll pay the price in the summer down south or anywhere east of the Rocky Mountains, but you get used to it as you know. Things I don't like back east are: not much public land, fewer mountains, more bugs, more snakes, gators, tornadoes and hurricanes, and wall to wall people.

Snakes and gators especially are good eatin'. Theres no wall to wall people in most of the south.

 

[MooThulhu]

So he tries to register an obviously illegal weapon , they find a slew of other patently illegal weapons including multiple state and Federal NFA violations and devices and that is enough to make the guy the poster child for government abuse? The NRA sent me that link too and I had to face palm.

Thats assuming that what the state says is a silencer is a silencer and the trigger crank or hellfire trigger attachment easily could have been something he bought when it was legal, it didn't work so he threw it in a drawer and forgot about it. The folks at FTroop (the BATFE) don't have the market cornered on questionable rulings and trumped up charges.

I doubt he knowingly tried to register a rifle he knew was illegal. But then again maybe you are right and all the charges are legit. I'm just not so quick to believe the DA's office until they show me some more solid evidence.

 

[wired]

I don't really think the DA is interested in showing you anything.

If I had a nickle for every time I was out shooting and a friend or friend of a friend whipped out his mag light silencer or home converted AK I'd be doing pretty good for myself. That stuff is fun to play with until you get popped. In any case ignorance of the law or just plain not caring is not a terribly good excuse in court and never has been. I have no doubt he had a couple of illegal silencers. Lots of people do. Seen a few friends go to jail over ATF stuff and they all thought they'd never get caught.

 

[MooThulhu]

I don't really think the DA is interested in showing you anything.

Touche. No I don't think they are. But from the quick searches I did I couldn't find any images or video showing what they confiscated from the guy. Maybe those will come out later and we will see some very obvious suppressors or that the gun had a fightlite beltfed upper or something.
All I'm saying is I'm going to assume the guy is innocent until I see something more damning then a news report talking about how the guy had OVER 200 rounds of ammunition, 2 silencers, a multiburst trigger activator and an "Assualt weapon"

 

[wired]

Touche. No I don't think they are. But from the quick searches I did I couldn't find any images or video showing what they confiscated from the guy. Maybe those will come out later and we will see some very obvious suppressors or that the gun had a fightlite beltfed upper or something.
All I'm saying is I'm going to assume the guy is innocent until I see something more damning then a news report talking about how the guy had OVER 200 rounds of ammunition, 2 silencers, a multiburst trigger activator and an "Assualt weapon"

They can say "Assault Weapon " because that is a ldefoned term under California state law.If the guy is like the people I know who have gone to jail under similar circumstances they didn't get close to 1/2 of what the guy actually had.

 

[CHLChris]

I used to have a whole lot more "off-book" guns from pre-594 days. I've been a bit complacent and sold a lot of those off, opting for new guns bought on 4473's.

Makes me look at non-compliance a little differently. I see myself as a law-follower. I've never been forced to make a choice concerning an un-Constitutional law...

Thomas Jefferson, et al, broke the law under penalty of death when they signed the Declaration. Should I have the same type of courage?

 

[Diamondback]

I used to have a whole lot more "off-book" guns from pre-594 days. I've been a bit complacent and sold a lot of those off, opting for new guns bought on 4473's.

Makes me look at non-compliance a little differently. I see myself as a law-follower. I've never been forced to make a choice concerning an un-Constitutional law...

Thomas Jefferson, et al, broke the law under penalty of death when they signed the Declaration. Should I have the same type of courage?

Chris, three letters: E P L. You can be completely off paper and still completely legal, as long as you know how to do your own machine work... Oops, my bad, "Don't talk about Fight Club."

 

[RailwayMan]

I wouldnt live anywhere that far inland. I like moderate winter weather and Ive spent a lot of time visiting my oldest son when he was stationed there and hated it. If you like that sort of living good for you. Not everyone does.

I grew up in the south and it doesnt scare me. Alabama or the Florida panhandle, South Carolina, Even some parts of Louisiana . Possibly Texas. If it got to the point where the gun thing became unworkable on the west coast I'd be out. Ive had several good offers in California over the years I'd never take a position down there. If this place turned into California I'm gone.

Moscow, Idaho = freezer in Winter, hinges of hell in mid-summer. Drinking age was 18 while it was 21 at Wazoo just across the state line. Biggest "bar" I ever saw was the Rathskeller at Moscow ... 4 stages, N,S,E, and W ends of the HUGE open space in between, ... the dance floor ... 4 bands full volume, hundreds of college kids, and a river of beer. One could barely hear one band at a time if standing close to a stage. Imagine trying to hustle a date in that environment.

 

[RailwayMan]

Options if IP 43 passes:

- move away from Oregon
- stay and fight the good fight
- don't comply
- do Patriot stuff in Salem
- shift to 7 & 8 round .357 revolvers
(Because nothing blows a progressives mind quite like a "high capacity revolver")

Wait it out. Send the NRA-ILA and Oregon Gun Owners Assoc $$$$$$$$$ to finance the fight for freedoms.
Write letters to legislators; not emails. A personal letter gets their attention and usually a personal reply.

 

[RailwayMan]

Nothing. States that have passed similar laws have seen a very low compliance rate. I think in New York state they have 5% compliance rate. I live in a county where people live in the middle of a forest and hour from the sheriffs office. These ambiguous laws can categorize a .22 pistol as an assault weapon. I have a feeling my sheriff will not travel an hour to remove a .22 pistol from someone who lives in Myst.

His deputy/your neighbor, probably goes target shooting with you ... with company iron ... like those small-town police departments with fully-auto stuff!

 

[Iceberg]

It was only a matter of time before California guns laws moved up here with them & their homeless. I'm lucky that I never got into collecting most of the guns effectived. I only will have to register 2 handguns (1911s) & a 10/22. Until they want us to register all our firearms, or even limit how many we can have.

 

[Asp]

Unfortunately, that'll be step two.

Need a pair of 1873's in .45 LC...

Then a slingshot...

Then rocks...

They're intent in driving us back to the dark ages...

This is why I am saving for a Garand.
/ping

 

[wayfarer]

I've been in Oregon for 68 years, minus active duty, and although I have family damned near everywhere, this may be the little extra push I need to relocate. For those at/near retirement age you really need to look at where your retirement income is coming from and which state taxes it the least.
State-by-State Guide to Taxes on Retirees
In addition, GunsandAmmo mag did a nice job outlining which states have the 'friendliest' stance toward guns owners.
Best States for Gun Owners - Guns & Ammo
Cross reference the two and find a new home.
I just cannot stomach the idea that taxes paid on my retirement income will help the socialists in Salem do even more damage than they have already. Same at the county level with propery taxes.

 

[3MTA3]

The thought of my state taxes being used to fund Salem's ever growing tyranny makes me sick.

 

[Caveman Jim]

It is true. Gun owners are a minority and many non gun owners see this as just another gun law to pass and keep us safer. And anyone that doesn't realize the landscape has changed over the last 30 years has their head buried in the sand.

Exactly, it's already against the law to murder people but it still happens and now they want to make a law that it's illegal to murder someone with this type of weapon. The blatant hypocrisy is as thick as paint in their brain.

 

[Caveman Jim]

I know people don't like to think of our country at war with itself but there comes a time when push comes to shove. We like to think we're so great and it would never happen here and it only happened in Germany and Russia but reality is starting to set in and democrats are beginning to look like the Nazi's and communists.

There was a time over 200 years ago that Americans were pushed into a corner by the British. They never left our soil, they just waited for the opportunity to rear their ugly heads in retaliation.
We need to stand together and put them in their place, AGAIN!!!

 

[SUPER X]

Exactly; if the head of the OSP came out and made any direct statement against the measures, you can bet your sweet bippy there would be a vacancy the next day...

The ones that do not agree with these leaders know if they speak out they will be in the soup line

 

[USMC-03]

The ones that do not agree with these leaders know if they speak out they will be in the soup line

Exactly so. But at some point, and I pray it doesn't come to this, the men and women in law enforcement may have to face the choice of risking their careers and livelihoods or remaining quite and becoming Stasi. I don't envy that quandary in the least.