School senstivity over guns - a WTF moment.

[Oathkeeper1775]

OP, you're fighting the good fight!

This issue has been developing since the Port Huron Statement (61-62).

Jane Fonda's former husband (Tom Hayden) was a primary author of the Communist manifesto that Paul Harvey responded-to with his famous speech "If I were the Devil".

I was sent to the office in 6th grade for telling the class that my great aunts like eating baked lamb heads; particularly the eyes...

The principal told me "say spaghetti next time".....

 

[MountainBear]

As a teacher who shoots , hunts and collects firearms , I would like to say that not all teachers are anti gun.

Granted I understand that I am in the minority , but a lot of the school's attitude towards guns may depend on where the school is located at.
At our school , which is in a rural area, we have a trap-shooting club and team and few teachers hunt , again we are in the minority , I get that.
I just ask that we don't lump all teachers in the anti gun camp.

It would have been nice if a teacher or admin staff took the time to talk to the OP's son to see just what he was reading about and why...Then , since the OP's son was doing no harm , move along and go about the day.
No need to call parents , give a suspension or even make a big deal out of reading a book.
( I mean the kid was reading a book , for Pete's sake , I'd be happy just seeing that )

I'd also be more interested in talking to the student who "thought it was funny" and filmed the "event"... You know the one who sounded like he bullied the OP's son and violated his son's privacy.
Andy

As a teacher, I was trying to come up with an elequent way of saying this. Turns out @AndyinEverson already said it quite well.

Like Andy, I am a teacher with a long history with guns. I've worked at gun shops, owned a gun shop, and been a gunsmith for ten years. I also hunt and shoot regularly.
It is a topic that I don't speak about regularly as I often teach in a more urban school. I understand the realities and the ability to support my family at this point in my life is worth the sacrifices .

 

[GGJohnson]

I gave my son my copy of Shooter's Bible.
He took it to school Monday.
I received a call today (while out hunting). "There was an incident at school involving your son." I'm thinking, he put up another sign supporting Trump, or made a political comment to one of his teachers.
Nope, a fellow student thought it was funny that he was reading through the book, videoed it and put it on Instagram.
They "stood him down" yesterday to determine if he was "safe."
I vaguely remember, when I gave the book to him, I said, "don't bring it to school. Better yet, bring it to school to challenge their thinking."
So I talk to the principal today, and comment to the effect, 'I don't think he did anything that was wrong other than be insensitive to people's fear and sensitivity of guns."
The principal comments to me: "I understand he has access to guns at your house." Like it was some bad thing.
I replied, "absolutely - I've taught him how to handle guns safely, and shoot them. He and I are both ardent 2nd Amendment supporters."

"Is there any chance he could bring one of your guns to school?"
"not at all. There would have to be multiple levels of transgressions for that to happen. He can only use guns under my direct supervision."
"Do you think he has any tendency of violence towards others with firearms?"
"Not at all. While the Sandy Hook perpetrator showed definite mental instability and antisocial behavior, I watch my son assiduously, and if there were any indication he was not stable, he would get no where near a firearm.
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The take away for me here is how anti-gun our educational system is. I hafta noodle this one - it seems to me, indoctrination to firearms and safety education would be way better than instilling fear and shame around them.
I called my son to ask him, WTH? and at the end of the conversation, he says, "you're going to take me to hunter ed, right?" Now gotta find a class.

Early 80s at my Jr. High, one either took Home Economics, or Outdoor Rec. We studied wilderness survival, fly tying, archery, and yes...fired school owned 22s on school property to qualify as part of our Hunter's Safety certification used for early state license requirements. No crystal ball to show today's Whiskey Tango Twist on soft target "safety" "re-education" culture push. Still shaking head at what public education has become in one generation.

 

[caarecengi]

Big difference between your 10 yr old and a coupla HS boys here that made threats and then said they were "just kidding". Kids get suspended for gun shaped bread crusts and calling names. Real bullying, and shaming, goes unchecked. Zero tolerance has failed IMO.

I had forgotten about this one, but my nephew / godson got in trouble in HS for surfing the S & W website to check out "statistics" on their various firearms. Apparently the school had one of these "surfing activity" filters installed (probably to prevent going to porn sites) but J got in trouble for that. Oh, he went to school in Aurora CO (and I think the incident at Columbine was still fresh in the mind of teachers and students alike).

So in this case, both the 1st and 2nd amendment rights were (somewhat) violated

 

[Provincial]

If you want to see an earlier manifestation of the current PC trend in education, watch Ken Burn's documentery about Prohibition. It explains how the anti-alcohol activists took over the education system to turn it into a propaganda program for their movement.

Since the Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist era, control of Public Education has been targeted over and over, mostly by the totalitarian socialists.

Control of Public Education is the goal of those who would force their agenda on the public at large. Public Education, combined with the reduction of voting age from 21 to 18 creates an opportunity to push through agendas that would otherwise be rejected by a voter base that had real-world experience and been trained to make objective judgment.

 

[bbbass]

Ken Burns is the boss. Still working my way thru his series on the "War of Northern Aggression".

 

[Adelaarvaren]

Meanwhile out here where I live, the local High School has a trap and skeet team.

 

[bbbass]

Those have been disappearing for a long time.

 

[PaulB47]

"For more than 220 years - from the 1620s to the 1840s - most American schooling was independent of government control, subsidy, and influence. From this educational freedom the American Republic was born."
-- Marshall Fritz

"Looking back on a 30-year teaching career full of rewards and prizes, somehow I can't completely believe that I spent my time on earth institutionalized; I can't believe that centralized schooling is allowed to exist at all as a gigantic indoctrination and sorting machine, robbing people of their children. Did it really happen? Was this my life? God help me."
-- John Taylor Gatto, "The Underground History of American Education"

10. Free education for all children in public schools...
-- Karl Marx, "Communist Manifesto"

 

[Flopsweat]

"For more than 220 years - from the 1620s to the 1840s - most American schooling was independent of government control, subsidy, and influence. From this educational freedom the American Republic was born."
-- Marshall Fritz

"Looking back on a 30-year teaching career full of rewards and prizes, somehow I can't completely believe that I spent my time on earth institutionalized; I can't believe that centralized schooling is allowed to exist at all as a gigantic indoctrination and sorting machine, robbing people of their children. Did it really happen? Was this my life? God help me."
-- John Taylor Gatto, "The Underground History of American Education"

10. Free education for all children in public schools...
-- Karl Marx, "Communist Manifesto"

Wow. Nicely done.

 

[Howard1955]

 

[P7M13]

"For more than 220 years - from the 1620s to the 1840s - most American schooling was independent of government control, subsidy, and influence. From this educational freedom the American Republic was born."
-- Marshall Fritz

"Looking back on a 30-year teaching career full of rewards and prizes, somehow I can't completely believe that I spent my time on earth institutionalized; I can't believe that centralized schooling is allowed to exist at all as a gigantic indoctrination and sorting machine, robbing people of their children. Did it really happen? Was this my life? God help me."
-- John Taylor Gatto, "The Underground History of American Education"
Here Gatto is actually espousing revolutionary thinking - that education should be opening the minds of the students. It is the open mind that allows the children to see and declare that the emperor has no clothes. While I haven't read his book, and may be misinterpreting his thinking, the indoctrination I experienced and see here is the preaching for conformity and a curriculum that supports the philosophy of those in power.
Long before I became a student, the engines of tracking, sorting and weeding were well emplaced in both public and private educational systems. Somewhere in the past 50 years, public school has become little more than daycare.
To that end, people weren't robbed of their children, they surrendered their children to it voluntarily. I have many acquaintances and colleagues who saw this, disagreed with the philosophy of the school system local to them, and chose to home school.
We may complain about much of those who are generation X - Z and millennials, but they are products of this very system.

10. Free education for all children in public schools...
-- Karl Marx, "Communist Manifesto"
Education and initiative are two essential elements to advancing or improving oneself in an industrial society. If you look at the Manifesto as a map to level the class system prevalent in Europe contemporaneous to Marx, education plays a crucial role in this.
For the sake of this argument, I will ignore the unrealistic idealism of the Manifesto,

I am a firm believer that a strong, effective, public educational system is vital to economic growth and national security. The indoctrination to pacifism doesn't fit in my model.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

I attended Columbia River High School just North of Vancouver WA city limits from 1977-1980. I and many of my friends had gun racks in the back windows of our 4x4 pickups. It was more common than not to see a shotgun, lever gun or bolt rifle in the back window. We would show them off during lunch or study hall and never thought of it as anything other than business as usual. Sometimes after school was out we would go to the old prune orchards West of the school and blast away at the old prune dryer barns that had been abandoned long ago. All this before the big subdivisions were built.
I live in the country now and enjoy shooting from my back porch, peeing outside if I want to and watching the chickens fight over a big bug from time to time. It's still pretty free out here but feeling more and more compressed as time goes by.

When it gets to the point where I can't pee off my back porch then it's time to move.

 

[cookie]

Wait till the kidscome homein a hibjab [MuslimScarf]

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

I will finally get to meet some of you guys/gals in person since we will all be in the same concentration camps.

Like in Red Dawn. One of my favorite movies because it is blueprint for taking away our guns. One of first things that happened was to go for 4473 forms to find out who has guns.

 

[Heywood]

Remember Ahmed Mohammad the "clock" boy?
leftist hysteria and hypocrisy goes hand in hand and never ceases to amaze.

 

[tac]

Meanwhile, here in almost gun-free UK, WE have kids at over 300 schools with guns - Shooting - The Oratory School

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And the UK Government pays, too.

tac

 

[Spad]

The libs have reached the Hitler's Germany, "burn the books". They just don't realize what they have done by banning books like Shooters Bible. They mean well, but are just plain uneducated, their BA or MA is a product of the blind leading the blind. Spad

 

[Heywood]

Our schools still have rifle raffles to pay for crap. Leftists are nuts.

 

[Heywood]

The libs have reached the Hitler's Germany, "burn the books". They just don't realize what they have done by banning books like Shooters Bible. They mean well, but are just plain uneducated, their BA or MA is a product of the blind leading the blind. Spad

They do not mean well. Their wish to make things better is really based in bitterness and dislike. They usually HATE the object of their ire. Talk with them in an apolitical setting in their homes where they are most comfortable as I do with my job and you would see it. Our problem for so long is thinking they care but are misguided, not evil or bad, just wrong. They do not suffer from this as we do.