School senstivity over guns - a WTF moment.

[Mikej]

Yeah...all these stories of how it was when WE were in high school don't mean squat. Things are different now, that's ancient history, doesn't matter what it WAS like. What hasn't been mentioned is that it's possible this principal has to cover himself and the schools butt due to liability issues?. We don't know, maybe they have a "Protocol" that has to be followed when ever the word "GUN" is spoken/written? After all, this is a crazy litigious society we live in. Granted it is a disgusting mess all right, living here in the middle of anti firearm Oregon.

 

[Koda]

Yeah I agree with Mikej things have changed and the past dlis moot. I dont mind the school asking questions about the kid, I do mind them asking questions only because they saw a book about guns.... Instead of getting to know their students individually and knowing hes just into a hobbie.

 

[Aero Denezol]

Yeah...all these stories of how it was when WE were in high school don't mean squat. Things are different now, that's ancient history, doesn't matter what it WAS like.

Yeah you're right. So much BS everywhere nowadays, it's hard not to reminisce about simpler times..

I'm so glad our kids are graduated and out of school.. And I am so glad I went to school when I did. I wouldn't trade places with these kids today for anything.

 

[etrain16]

We're happy we can avoid public schools as a homeschool family. The "schools" my daughter does attend weekly (she belongs to 3) are so different from public schools. While they function in many ways like a public school, they differ in many ways too. I daresay your average public school parent or teacher may have a heart attack seeing how they love their country, say the Pledge of Allegiance every day (and can tell you what it means), have no problem with prayer or religious discussions and just really enjoy learning while exercising the very freedom they are taught. There is no triggering. No PC. No hypersensitivity. No complaining about statues, monuments or flags they don't like. It's quite refreshing.

I've been asked to come in to the school in a few months with my Hawken rifle. They're studying the period around the Revolution and they were wondering if someone could show a firearm from that time. And while my Hawken is not period for that time (not a flintlock and not a musket), it can at least give them a sense of the difference compared to modern firearms. Even got permission from the school director to fire a few percussion caps as a demonstration. That certainly won't be happening in the local public schools.

Thank goodness school/education choice continues to be a thing. And I am also thankful for those teachers that work within the public schools but aren't part of the public school 'problem', rather are the shining examples of what public schools should be.

 

[P7M13]

Honestly, I think I took a pussy's exit, not challenging the principal on her unreasonably restrictive anti-gun stance.
My logic: even though it is a public institution, I believe schools should have the right to say what can and cannot be brought to school, literature or otherwise. That fight is for another time. With him, my experience has also been, taking the school to task over seemingly minor issues often leads to their resistance to do the right thing by him in bigger ones. While they may not see this as a minor issue, I do. Like I teach all my kids (or at least try) be discrete.
I wonder if they would have had a problem if he had brought "The Anarchist's Cookbook" ?
If you consider the sexuality and brutality described in "Anne Frank", or the sexuality of Judy Blume novelas, why aren't those a problem? Or how about studying the chemistry of Sarin gas or Zyklon B in either History or Chemistry class?

Ooh, the OP is on some sorta list now for sure. Once the gun haters have assimilated enough of society he and his will be prime candidates for re-education. Or if "safe storage" ever becomes the law of the land may be this little incident will warrant a visit.

'Effin' A right, bubba.

Wow, it's gotten that bad huh? You can't even read a book now? Contact the ACLU and tell them your son's First Amendment rights to read whatever he wants are being infringed.. It sounds like you did a great job of handling that dork of a Principal.

When I was in high school (early 1990's) guys would bring rifles to school all the time. Sometimes they even went hunting at lunch and came back with freshly killed deer in the beds of their trucks. The teachers would actually go outside to admire the kill. It was absolutely not a big deal. And, I went to a very nice high school in suburban South Salem. We had a few country boys, but we were by no means "country" (more like "country club").

My son is in Salem too.
Sprague? Back then, you could have just gone down the hill to the creek or a little farther up the far side - plenty of deer all around you there. All the wealthy estates kind of get in the way of that now. Somewhere around '92 or '93, I stopped seeing rifles in gunracks. It seemed odd to me.

 

[Aero Denezol]

My son is in Salem too.
Sprague? Back then, you could have just gone down the hill to the creek or a little farther up the far side - plenty of deer all around you there. All the wealthy estates kind of get in the way of that now. Somewhere around '92 or '93, I stopped seeing rifles in gunracks. It seemed odd to me.

Yep! Exactly right.. that's the one. The gun racks and the curtains were great. People would chuckle about it, but nobody ever called the police.

 

[808hondacrguy]

I was kicked out of private school in S. Calif. in the 6th grade for multiple classroom shootings... of my mouth. Apparently it is a dangerous weapon!!

You are right, it's not just about guns anymore. My daughter was playing tag in the playground at school, and a teacher overheard her tell her best friend " I'm going to kill you". I was called in to the school to pick her up, (had to leave work to do this), because "THIS could not wait", according to the principal. I had to take her home, and she could not return until she had a psych eval, and a form from the therapist stating that she was not a threat to others in the school. I took a vacation and we hung out together for a week before complying with this nonsense. Even the therapist said " what 10 yr old doesn't say stuff like that, playing around.

 

[caarecengi]

I gave my son my copy of Shooter's Bible.
He took it to school Monday.
I received a call today (while out hunting). "There was an incident at school involving your son." I'm thinking, he put up another sign supporting Trump, or made a political comment to one of his teachers.
Nope, a fellow student thought it was funny that he was reading through the book, videoed it and put it on Instagram.
They "stood him down" yesterday to determine if he was "safe."
I vaguely remember, when I gave the book to him, I said, "don't bring it to school. Better yet, bring it to school to challenge their thinking."
So I talk to the principal today, and comment to the effect, 'I don't think he did anything that was wrong other than be insensitive to people's fear and sensitivity of guns."
The principal comments to me: "I understand he has access to guns at your house." Like it was some bad thing.
I replied, "absolutely - I've taught him how to handle guns safely, and shoot them. He and I are both ardent 2nd Amendment supporters."

"Is there any chance he could bring one of your guns to school?"
"not at all. There would have to be multiple levels of transgressions for that to happen. He can only use guns under my direct supervision."
"Do you think he has any tendency of violence towards others with firearms?"
"Not at all. While the Sandy Hook perpetrator showed definite mental instability and antisocial behavior, I watch my son assiduously, and if there were any indication he was not stable, he would get no where near a firearm.
​

The take away for me here is how anti-gun our educational system is. I hafta noodle this one - it seems to me, indoctrination to firearms and safety education would be way better than instilling fear and shame around them.
I called my son to ask him, WTH? and at the end of the conversation, he says, "you're going to take me to hunter ed, right?" Now gotta find a class.

In CA, they WANT you to be a victim
Jerry Brown Signs Bill Ensuring Teachers Can't Shoot Back if Attacked - Breitbart

 

[MagDump]

"Re-Education"? I would suspect most of us here are already on a Purge List...

I will finally get to meet some of you guys/gals in person since we will all be in the same concentration camps.

 

[caarecengi]

I gave my son my copy of Shooter's Bible.
He took it to school Monday.
I received a call today (while out hunting). "There was an incident at school involving your son." I'm thinking, he put up another sign supporting Trump, or made a political comment to one of his teachers.
Nope, a fellow student thought it was funny that he was reading through the book, videoed it and put it on Instagram.
They "stood him down" yesterday to determine if he was "safe."
I vaguely remember, when I gave the book to him, I said, "don't bring it to school. Better yet, bring it to school to challenge their thinking."
So I talk to the principal today, and comment to the effect, 'I don't think he did anything that was wrong other than be insensitive to people's fear and sensitivity of guns."
The principal comments to me: "I understand he has access to guns at your house." Like it was some bad thing.
I replied, "absolutely - I've taught him how to handle guns safely, and shoot them. He and I are both ardent 2nd Amendment supporters."

"Is there any chance he could bring one of your guns to school?"
"not at all. There would have to be multiple levels of transgressions for that to happen. He can only use guns under my direct supervision."
"Do you think he has any tendency of violence towards others with firearms?"
"Not at all. While the Sandy Hook perpetrator showed definite mental instability and antisocial behavior, I watch my son assiduously, and if there were any indication he was not stable, he would get no where near a firearm.
​

The take away for me here is how anti-gun our educational system is. I hafta noodle this one - it seems to me, indoctrination to firearms and safety education would be way better than instilling fear and shame around them.
I called my son to ask him, WTH? and at the end of the conversation, he says, "you're going to take me to hunter ed, right?" Now gotta find a class.

My daughter attended an after-school class (started about 1 hr after school had ended, and it was NOT on school property) - she took her pocket knife with her for whatever reason (we're talking a standard swiss army knife). When my son and I went to get her at the conclusion of the event, person in charge asked to see me but son asked what is was about. Adult proceeded to state that "J has a knife and I took it" - to which my son replied, I have one too, but you're not taking mine - please give me J's. Adult was dumbfounded and asked J not to bring it again.

All my kids were in Scouts and earned the right to carry a pocketknife

 

[Diamondback]

I will finally get to meet some of you guys/gals in person since we will all be in the same concentration camps.

Again, you assume they'll even bother with capture.

"In other news, another Enemy of the People and his family were killed last night resisting efforts to take them into custody by the valiant People's Democratic Reeducation Service. Among the burned ruins of their house were found... [insert unflattering, highly unsympathetic description, say kiddie porn, here]"

 

[ArgentineSteel]

My shop teacher was a former Army colonel. He was a competition pistol shooter with a 1911. He was also the sponsor of the high school rifle competition team, which I was on. He taught me the finer points of shooting a pistol. He would have been proud of your model Uzi.

Kids are so deprived nowadays. No pocket knives, you can't have an aspirin in your possession, no biting toast into gun shapes, no wrong thinking at all.

I grew up with a pocket knife, our shop project in middle school was to make a fixed blade knife and sheath. My buddy's little brother built a small cannon in metal shop. We used to fire it on the 4th. Our explorers club would set up bullet traps and a small range in the school basement of the High School.

I tell teens this sort of stuff and they are frankly incredulous. They've lost that many rights and responsibilities since the 18 year olds won the vote.

 

[Boboclown]

I remember playing with an airsoft gun in South Korea and no one complained about it at all... Wonder what would happen if a kid and a buddy run around a neighborhood with airsoft guns here.

Though I don't know if I could still do the same in South Korea. At the same time if I was able to, its probably because they know its next to impossible to get a gun over there (no handguns, no semiautos, etc).

 

[ArgentineSteel]

I remember playing with an airsoft gun in South Korea and no one complained about it at all... Wonder what would happen if a kid and a buddy run around a neighborhood with airsoft guns here.

Though I don't know if I could still do the same in South Korea. At the same time if I was able to, its probably because they know its next to impossible to get a gun over there (no handguns, no semiautos, etc).

We used to have cap guns. Tin pistols that snapped down on a paper tape with a dot of gunpowder. Bang fun!
Even more fun with a hammer on a roll of tape. mind your head on the recoil

 

[nammac]

We used to have cap guns. Tin pistols that snapped down on a paper tape with a dot of gunpowder. Bang fun!
Even more fun with a hammer on a roll of tape. mind your head on the recoil

Those were the days, roaming the neighborhood with a pair of silver tone six guns, popping off those paper tape caps as fast as we could...

Today we'd be short or detained by the police. Sad what's happened... Militerazion of the police, dumbing down of the populace, turning guns into evil and feared objects...

Lord help us as a society!

 

[rupey7]

I attended Columbia River High School just North of Vancouver WA city limits from 1977-1980. I and many of my friends had gun racks in the back windows of our 4x4 pickups. It was more common than not to see a shotgun, lever gun or bolt rifle in the back window. We would show them off during lunch or study hall and never thought of it as anything other than business as usual. Sometimes after school was out we would go to the old prune orchards West of the school and blast away at the old prune dryer barns that had been abandoned long ago. All this before the big subdivisions were built.
I live in the country now and enjoy shooting from my back porch, peeing outside if I want to and watching the chickens fight over a big bug from time to time. It's still pretty free out here but feeling more and more compressed as time goes by.

 

[Dan Adams]

It could be that the principal isn't at fault. The school board's policy may have dictated his action. How many of you normally carry but don't carry at work because company policy prohibits it? Yes, it's terrible—substitute the strongest word for "terrible" if you like—that the actions of a few crazies result in policies and over-cautious responses. Perhaps the boy should take a Bible to school and get a friend to post a video about it. Next day, take in a Koran.... If the boy gets "stood down" (whatever that means), you'd have a great legal case against the school.

This kind of crap isn't new. It's really about people in authority throwing their weight around and not being challenged.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Book covers. Enough said.

 

[Boboclown]

Anyone ever put a certain "graphic" novel in their math textbook? Always wonder if people actually did that.

 

[bbbass]

You are right, it's not just about guns anymore. My daughter was playing tag in the playground at school, and a teacher overheard her tell her best friend " I'm going to kill you". I was called in to the school to pick her up, (had to leave work to do this), because "THIS could not wait", according to the principal. I had to take her home, and she could not return until she had a psych eval, and a form from the therapist stating that she was not a threat to others in the school. I took a vacation and we hung out together for a week before complying with this nonsense. Even the therapist said " what 10 yr old doesn't say stuff like that, playing around.

Big difference between your 10 yr old and a coupla HS boys here that made threats and then said they were "just kidding". Kids get suspended for gun shaped bread crusts and calling names. Real bullying, and shaming, goes unchecked. Zero tolerance has failed IMO.