Oregon SB501 was concocted by KIDS!!!!!!!!!

[tiggers97]

If anyone out there knows of any bright and articulate kids to give testimony, might want to encourage them to get involved as well.

 

[WoodsPlinker]

 

[Mlesure]

Well this is what I sent to all of Oregon's Senators both dem and rep.

"I don't know how to express in words the extreme injustice and prejudice against law abiding citizens the proposed bill SB 501 is. There is nothing sensible or common sense about it. For years gun control advocates have always claimed they are not coming for our guns. This quite clearly comes for people's guns and turns them into criminals with severe penalties, fines, and jail time. It requires gun owners ether turn in or destroy their legally obtained property, a complete violation of both the Oregon and United Sates constitution. The Article I Section 27 of the Oregon constitution states "Right to bear arms; military subordinate to civil power. The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence [sic] of themselves, and the State, but the Military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power[.]"

SB 501 would ban practically every single modern firearm that people use for self defense because it bans magazines over 5 rounds thus violating the Oregon Constitution. That means every modern semiautomatic handgun, rifle, shotgun, and even most revolvers(that hold 6 rounds) that people use for self defense, hunting, recreational sports shooting, and competition would be illegal.

If law enforcement deems it necessary to carry 15-17 rounds mags in their duty sidearms as well as have AR-15 patrol rifles with 30 round mags at the ready in their patrol cars to defend themselves against dangerous criminals then so do law abiding citizens for defense. If law abiding citizens are to be limited to only 5 round magazines, then so should law enforcement. The Oregon constitution is clear after all, the people have the right to bear arms for defense of themselves and the state. SB 501 would violate that right.

Also SB 501 would require a permit to purchase firearms and as well as background checks on ammunition. To say this is ridiculous and unconstitutional would be an understatement. We already have universal background checks an all firearms purchases in Oregon because of SB-941. Requiring a permit to buy a firearm is pointless because you already need a background check to buy a gun in the first place. This violates the Oregon constitution because it forces citizens to ask permission from the state to exercise their constitutional and natural right to self defense. To need a background check on ammo is even more ridiculous because you can't buy a firearm without a background check in the first place.

And if that isn't enough SB 501 would limit us to only 20 rounds a month. I have to wonder who thinks this stuff up? It would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that it's being taken seriously. At only 20 rounds it would be virtually impossible for people to practice, get training, and be proficient with their firearms. This is so draconian that it wouldn't survive a lawsuit.

This bill was written by rich politicians who live in $1.5 million homes in gated communities who don't have to worry about needing a gun to defend themselves from criminals. They are unable to relate to the average citizen in any way and they arrogantly believe they know what's best for us. Most likely they never even shot a gun in their lives as evident that they know nothing about firearms or how they operate. Worst of all they use the input of underage teenage kids who are non eligible to influence legislation or vote. These same politicians believe a 18-20 year old shouldn't be allowed to buy a rifle, but they will draft legislation from the input of 14-16 year old kids on gun rights. A bit ironic isn't?

I know first hand from personal experience that there are a lot of gun owners in Oregon from all political leanings. Firearms are a big part of Oregon's culture. There are a lot of liberal democrat gun owners as much as conservatives gun owners and SB 501 will anger a lot of people, many of whom are mostly likely your own constituents. The people of Oregon do not stand for unconstitutional infringements on their second amendment rights and they will not comply ether. As cases in NY and NJ point out, laws like these are simply met with mass noncompliance.

So if you made this far I want to thank you for taking the time to read my letter and I hope you vote no on SB 501 if it ever makes it for a vote. Please do the truly right thing and support people's constitutional rights."

 

[Mlesure]

well said in that letter

 

[notazombie]

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I don't even live in Oregon and I'm pretty much at this point.
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[RainMan65]

I wonder if they would support legislation written by "my kids." With a 90% poverty rate in a rural area, the name of their group would probably be something like "I Need My Guns." Their main platform would be lowering the gun purchasing age to 16 and allowing guns on school campus, so they can go hunting before and after school to feed their family.

Oh, and I'd make sure they cited the state and federal constitution and court precedence, as well as statistical data, but that's just the teacher in me.

We need more teachers like you. Sadly you are a dying breed. Thank you for your service.

 

[tiggers97]

Ok. So we have all gotten over the shock of how low these politicians will go. Up to and including saying to the public they have been threatened (turns out it was someone handing them a leaflet in Lake Oswego).

Now what?

I am wondering what peoples thoughts would be if our side reached out to the STUDENTS (by-pass the politicians controlling the narrative), and invite them to one of the nice ranges to teach them about the basics of firearms. I.e. we are not the monsters they think we are, and guns are not as scary as you are being told. I am betting MOST of those kids will have a change of heart, at least to a more neutral position.

Thoughts?

 

[M_in_NW]

Know your enemies. A few YouTube vids were just posted w/ the kids and politicians behind this bs.

Dick Hughes

 

[tiggers97]

Know your enemies. A few YouTube vids were just posted w/ the kids and politicians behind this bs.

Dick Hughes

Thank you for sharing these videos. Did you take them yourself?

From the first video 1I saw; "we looked at NY, CT, NJ... ... for reasonable and sensible laws to implement".
In other words, a very very narrow perspective, with no contectx from the people who will actually be affected by the law.

 

[tkdguy]

This SB 501 is like Obama Health Care: If you like you doctor, you can keep your doctor.....but everybody lost their doctor and will we loose our guns????

 

[notazombie]

Know your enemies. A few YouTube vids were just posted w/ the kids and politicians behind this bs.

Dick Hughes

These poor misguided little tyrants.

 

[M_in_NW]

Thank you for sharing these videos. Did you take them yourself?

From the first video 1I saw; "we looked at NY, CT, NJ... ... for reasonable and sensible laws to implement".
In other words, a very very narrow perspective, with no contectx from the people who will actually be affected by the law.

Glad to help. No, just did a quick search on YouTube to see what might be available and came across these.

 

[tkdguy]

Counter Attack on SB 501: If persons are interested in developing and coordinating a state wide network of advocates against this bill, please contact me here through messages in the inbox. Please provided some record that shows that you are a NW Firearms Sports Minded person and not a confederate. I am reachable for the next 36 hours but will be traveling thereafter, but will be able to access my computer daily. Thanks.

 

[tkdguy]

Great idea: Remove all of your savings from LO Banks and tell them why. Who uses tactics such at that?

 

[Sandaholic]

These poor misguided little tyrants.

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. I am not usually the one to wish ill on people, but if SHTF for real I pray to god these traitors get whats coming to them.

Commies and Socialists are always talking about what people need. They have an uncanny knack for knowing whats best for you.......America is just now coming back from the brink, and I'm thankful for that. But I will be even more so the further along we get on the path of dismantling the democRAT party.

I console myself with thoughts of how badly they are going to lose their you know what when RBG is finally pronounced to be room temperature and they realize the supreme court will be 6-3 in short order. They have gotten every single little thing they have sniveled about for far too long. Not only are we going to build a wall and control our borders kids, America will no longer be pillaged from within.

 

[tkdguy]

These dummies think they are the smartest people in the room. I think these are LO kids, the community must be proud of them?

 

[PDXbiker]

Feel free to down vote and leave your YouTube opinion on the latest vid from these students who know what is best for Oregon firearm owners. After you start the video up, click on the YouTube at the bottom of the video box.

 

[tkdguy]

Feel free to down vote and leave your YouTube opinion on the latest vid from these students who know what is best for Oregon firearm owners. After you start the video up, click on the YouTube at the bottom of the video box.

THIS IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA AND I HOPE OTHERS FOLLOW UP.

 

[Mikej]

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. I am not usually the one to wish ill on people, but if SHTF for real I pray to god these traitors get whats coming to them.

Commies and Socialists are always talking about what people need. They have an uncanny knack for knowing whats best for you.......America is just now coming back from the brink, and I'm thankful for that. But I will be even more so the further along we get on the path of dismantling the democRAT party.

I console myself with thoughts of how badly they are going to lose their you know what when RBG is finally pronounced to be room temperature and they realize the supreme court will be 6-3 in short order. They have gotten every single little thing they have sniveled about for far too long. Not only are we going to build a wall and control our borders kids, America will no longer be pillaged from within.

I stopped watching (listening) after the 5th "UM". It was an approximate 1 "UM"/10 seconds.

Maybe next we can get parents to egg on their elementary school students to write a bill that will change school lunches to jelly beans and cup cakes! For the children of course.

 

[tkdguy]

listening to the video one gets the impression the senators prompted the kids to do their dirty work? The main speaker has identity problems and orientation problems? How could they figure out reality? Obviously, they are not criminologists, nor forensic psychologists familiar with the literature. Maybe other students will give them feedback?