Obama regime targets gunsmiths with new executive order

[Gunfinish]

So again...where is the nra?

Gun owners in Kalifornia have been asking that question for about 25 years.

 

[bmtm09]

Gun owners in Kalifornia have been asking that question for about 25 years.

NRA sacrificed Kali for the greater good...

 

[Gunfinish]

Did they tell you that they are not the ones who enforce's ITAR, They just report non payer's to State ?

Did they tell you that you can get a Commerce Dept. Exemption if you don't sell to Police,Military or Foreign export . Because that is how the law is written ?

We sell weapon's out of the country so we pay the fee's.
Don't sell to the above mentioned and you don't have to pay.
It's been that way for years.

Nothing new it came out in 2012 just been going mainstream now ..................


Oh yeah did they mention the 11% FET tax on the sale price of every firearm after 49 gun's manufactured under your FFL ?????.............

I have a Class 07, and your comment is accurate.

 

[Gunfinish]

NRA sacrificed Kali for the greater good...

They turned their backs on Washington over I594 as well.

 

[Diamondback]

NRA sacrificed Kali for the greater good...

Just like they're now sacrificing OR and WA "for the greater good." *snort*

 

[Gunfinish]

Keep voting in Democrats.
It's The most detrimental thing you can do to destroy the Constitution.

 

[Diamondback]

I have a Class 07, and your comment is accurate.

Feel like sharing with the rest of the class? I'm sure Velzey at least would appreciate that information and its benefit in preserving his livelihood...

Oh, but he's not an 07/SOT, so Up His because he's not one of the Big Boys, and same to all us home/hobbyist 'smiths who tinker with our own toys.

As for Dems, don't blame me I didn't vote for 'em any more than you did! I had to Burn an old college friend now running for Legislature because she sold out for Bloomberg's blood-money...

 

[Gunfinish]

Feel like sharing with the rest of the class? I'm sure Velzey at least would appreciate that information and its benefit in preserving his livelihood...

Oh, but he's not an 07/SOT, so Up His because he's not one of the Big Boys, and same to all us home/hobbyist 'smiths who tinker with out.

As for Dems, don't blame me I didn't vote for 'em any more than you did! I had to Burn an old college friend now running for Legislature because she sold out for Bloomberg's blood-money...

I am a little guy, who does little jobs, who converts old 870 shotguns (amongst other things) into home defense weapons. When I had set up the biz, the ATF boy told me that taking an old 870, and installing new furniture on it, and doing a Cerakote job to it was manufacturing so he (his definition) thought it be better if I got the 07 FFL. No, I am not required to issue a new firearm serial number, as i use the original. It's a big pile of smelly crap that i do just to do small projects, commercially. But I do it because I want my business.
Every year, I fill out all of the paperwork as a "manufacturer" and if applicable pay the tax.
Oh, and read the law again... It states, "Defense articles" (meaning for the military industry worldwide).
Believe me, I don't like any of this, but let's not claim that the dog ate the keys until the dog takes a crap.
At this early stage, I do not believe Obama's new BS involves little guys the way that ONE article implies. But admittedly time will tel.
And, if you can stomach VOTING again, vote for Trump and this, and more of this hogwash will go away.
Not voting? Then don't complain (all due respect)

 

[Diamondback]

As it happens up to this year I have been a reliable GOP voter every election. As for WA's electoral votes, even Jesus Christ Himself couldn't pry the WA EV's out of Killary's bloodstained mitts... so being unable to support a lying, welshing con-man who was for Ban 'Em All before he was "against bans" I have no qualms about voting my conscience and casting my ballot for Gary Johnson.

 

[nammac]

I'll keep sayin' it, if your on the government dole, you get no vote.

Pay taxes or own real estate, then you get a vote, just like the forefathers intended...

 

[Gunfinish]

As it happens up to this year I have been a reliable GOP voter every election. As for WA's electoral votes, even Jesus Christ Himself couldn't pry the WA EV's out of Killary's bloodstained mitts... so being unable to support a lying, welshing con-man who was for Ban 'Em All before he was "against bans" I have no qualms about voting my conscience and casting my ballot for Gary Johnson.

I've been a Constitutional Republican since the late 70's. That said, i was not at all behind Trump, but this is war, so he'll have my vote.
Johnson?
"I quit smoking pot 5 weeks ago... I won't smoke pot when elected President..." - Gary Johnson

Additionally, I've been an employer in a service oriented industry for over 30 years.

Johnson is an Idiot

 

[Diamondback]

Evil, Crazy Evil, Stoner, least of three evils. It's still casting a ballot. And if you think Cheeto Jesus won't stab you in the back as soon as his Fifth Avenue Manhattan values see a "better deal" I got a killer deal on some beachfront real-estate for you... in Mesa, Arizona.

 

[Gunfinish]

Evil, Crazy Evil, Stoner, least of three evils. It's still casting a ballot. And if you think Cheeto Jesus won't stab you in the back as soon as his Fifth Avenue Manhattan values see a "better deal" I got a killer deal on some beachfront real-estate for you... in Mesa, Arizona.

Johnson is not evil, just a pothead. I have no time for potheads. This I know from personal experience.
No, I do not believe Trump will stab us in the back. This too I know from personal business experience as I've dealt with his brand of businessmen for many years.

 

[Velzey]

So @Gunfinish what do you pay per year?

As per my conversation with batf today it seems things have changed over the last few years. Oh and yes I'm well aware the ATF doesn't collect itar $.
I was clearly told I need to sign up and pay ( itar) For the type of work I do, threading, bedding, accurizing, modifying parts prior to install, etc etc. Socit seems there are allot of others in Oregon that are out of compliamce and don't think they need to look into it. But hey to each his own, I'm going to stay legal.
I was told the ATF just got new info today ( as in 8/1/16) on all this. And they actually took the time to call me back and give me the info..

 

[Gunfinish]

So @Gunfinish what do you pay per year?

As per my conversation with batf today it seems things have changed over the last few years. Oh and yes I'm well aware the ATF doesn't collect itar $.
I was clearly told I need to sign up and pay ( itar) For the type of work I do, threading, bedding, accurizing, modifying parts prior to install, etc etc. Socit seems there are allot of others in Oregon that are out of compliamce and don't think they need to look into it. But hey to each his own, I'm going to stay legal.
I was told the ATF just got new info today ( as in 8/1/16) on all this. And they actually took the time to call me back and give me the info..

A few bucks in taxes. Actually very little as it only applies to those firearms I've "manufactured" Less then five hundred dollars a year which is part of my pricing
Thank you. I'll wait to see what they send us all. So far, I'll choose to wait and see what they send us in order to further comply as i still believe that it only applies to those who deal in defense weapons (i.e. military industry) , or change my business to re-stringing tennis rackets or something.
The other thing is that they might just drag their feet until after November.
Do you currently have a Class 07 or standard Gunsmith FFL?

 

[Gunfinish]

Here:https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/f...rtation-report-afmer-atf-form-530011/download

 

[Gunfinish]

BTW, BATF is so understaffed that they only have a total of 600 Field Agents for all 50 States plus U.S. Territories. Just sayin...

Current gun debate may not help beleaguered ATF (https://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/02/11/12155/current-gun-debate-may-not-help-beleaguered-atf)

"see editors note" as well.

 

[Gunfinish]

If you're in the gun biz, it would behoove you to join The National Shooting Sports Foundation.
It's been of great help to me and my business.
It's also a great website for all firearms enthusiasts
NSSF | National Shooting Sports Foundation | Firearms Industry Trade Association (http://www.nssf.org)

 

[Brutus57]

We need a new thread...What did you do today to modify a firearm?
Wanna really drive them crazy? Use social media to plan "flash mods or builds"....

Brutus Out

 

[Diamondback]

@Velzey PM replied and email sent, amigo. I'm also going to run this by master pistolsmith and longtime boardmate Charlie Petty for his commentary; I figure different kinds of specialist smith will have different perspectives and thus yield a better examination of how this monster screws us over.