measure 114 passed, what's next?

[Texanna]

Have you read it?

Just scanned it and that was it ... I've been reading the various threads but didn't come across it. Oh heck I could use "search" like a modern person ....

 

[Mrlomeli]

So until this gets defeated, when will this go into affect?

 

[oregunbob541]

Just saw this on FB:

 

[It-That]

Outside of Multnomah County, the entire rest of Oregon cumulatively voted this down. Going forward, I say that the rest of Oregon ought to excommunicate Portland from the State.

Start a 'Boycott Portland' movement. After all, they've overwhelmingly voted to restrict our constitutionally protected civil right.

This is something that fascinates me about this state. How does one small city iron fist the rest of the state? The rest of the state has nearly nothing at all in common with the needs of that city. Why not do a city ordinance? That woukd suit their needs (still don't support this, don't get me wrong) like Chicago and New York city do, but not completely overreach like they are doing now. Why does someone in the urban hell hole insist that people living far away from anyone else in the high desert or southern valley woods need to have the same rules? Incredibly shortsighted. If Portland wants to ban guns, then vote to ban guns in Portland. Other places don't have Portland problems, and those places don't send their problems to Portland whatsoever.

 

[arakboss]

I'm hoping you are correct, although I think that 114 is fairly explicit that the training must be done by law enforcement.

(8) As used in this section, "proof of completion of a firearm safety course" means the following:
(a) Proof of completion of any firearms training course or class available to the general public that is offered by law
enforcement, a community college, or a private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing
instructors certified by a law enforcement agency, and that includes the components set forth in paragraph (c) of this
subsection; or
(b) Proof of completion of any law enforcement firearms training course or class that is offered for security guards,
investigators, reserve law enforcement officers, or any other law enforcement officers, and that includes the components
set forth in paragraph (c) of this subsection;
(c) A firearms training course or class required for issuance of a permit-to-purchase must include:
(A) Review of federal and state laws in place at the time of the class and other safe practices related to ownership,
purchase, transfer, use and transportation of firearms;
(B) Review of federal and state safe storage laws in place at the time of the class and other safe practices related to safe
storage, including reporting lost and stolen guns;
(C) Prevention of abuse or misuse of firearms, including the impact of homicide and suicide on families, communities and
the country as a whole; and
(D) In-person demonstration of the applicant's ability to lock, load, unload, fire and store a firearm before an instructor
certified by a law enforcement agency. This requirement may be met separately from the other course requirements in
subpargagraphs (A), (B) and (C) of paragraph (c), which may be completed in an on-line course, provided the on-line course
has been conducted by a trainer certified by law enforcement.
(d) Proof of successful completion of a training course in order to meet the requirements for a concealed handgun license
issued under ORS 166.291 and 166.292 may be submitted for a permit as a substitute for the requirements in paragraph (c)
of this subsection, provided the completed course included each of the components set forth in paragraph (c) of this
subsection.

 

[arakboss]

If CCW trainers start including this training, the CCW class should count for permit to purchase training:

(D) In-person demonstration of the applicant's ability to lock, load, unload, fire and store a firearm before an instructor
certified by a law enforcement agency.

 

[BroncoFan]

FPC will be on this like white on rice. Just give them a few months. I plan on sending $ their way. You can keep your high capacity mags Purchased prior to this Charlie Fox. You can shoot them at ranges, at events, or during recreation, on your property, etc., which I read to mean carry your Glock while you hunt. you do have to carry the mags locked separate from your firearm during transportation. The courts are already ruling against mag bans, so that'll likely be the first provision to go down. The licensing scheme is so onerous as to be unimplementable. The measure is poorly written, it even references an ORS that doesn't exist!

 

[It-That]

Remember back when we had an ELECTION DAY not an election week?

And there was no digital anything. That was even more mask off than it was today that elections are fixed. How could they possibly count and verify that they're all legit in one day without computerization? I think the only reason it takes a week now is to cover all their bases, dot the i's, cross the t's

 

[shibbershabber]

Old voters are dying.
Young voters are Left.

Old voters just stayed home...

Young voters are rabid lefties....

There is no political solution here, we are bubblegumed.

 

[shibbershabber]

What is the effective date we can no longer purchase firearms without a permit?

I believe it goes into effect 30 days after the vote is certified.

 

[shibbershabber]

Start a 'Boycott Portland' movement.

Im pretty sure that anyone with a functioning brain is already boycotting Portland. I dont know anyone who goes there anymore and spends money willingly.

But ultimately it wont matter as no one in Portland gives a bubblegum if you go there or not. If people cared about their city's image, cared about its businesses, etc... they wouldnt vote the way they have for the last 40 years. You cant fix stupid.

Accept the new reality that you may as well be living in Baltimore or leave. Pretty much the only options.

 

[CorvallisOr]

What is the effective date we can no longer purchase firearms without a permit?

Article IV, Section 4(d) of the Oregon Constitution says that an initiative measure becomes effective 30 days after the day on which it is enacted or approved by a majority of the votes cast thereon. So at least 30 days to buy your high capacity mags!

As for training/permit requirements, Oregon Public Broadcasting says this: While it is not explicitly outlined in the text of the measure, it is highly likely that gun sales would continue under current regulations until a new permitting system could be created. That would be more in keeping with how the rulemaking process is typically executed after a new law is passed.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

What's next? Somebody sues the state for violating the 2nd Amendment. Mag bans have already been thrown out by federal courts. A training class, a license, and fees to exercise a civil right won't fare any better. A public database will not fly under federal law (the 10th Amendment extends federal prohibitions to the states). A may issue system has already been ruled against. And finally, the whole thing burdens the 2nd Amendment without any demonstrable public interest being promoted.

I hope whoever sues them (and the FPC and NRA at least are waiting patiently until we have an effective date and therefor standing) moves for an injunction and/or restraining order to block implementation until the matters are litigated. Such motions are made when implementation would cause irreparable harm that cannot be reversed if the statute is thrown out. The statute specifically calls for irreversible modifications to legally possessed firearms, so it should be a slam dunk to get a stay. I can't think of any aspect of this statute that is not illegal on its face.

I would love to explore the idea of suing the state AG and SoS, since they both knew full well that the statue as written should never have been allowed on the ballot. In addition to multiple violations of the Bill of Rights, it also violates Oregon's constitution concerning ballot initiatives covering more than one issue. It would be hard to argue that their dereliction of duty was not willful. And finally, campaign materials for the statute specifically admit that the purpose of the statute is simply to impede the public's ability to exercise the rights guaranteed under the 2nd Amendment, so perhaps Rev. Knutsen and his pals, and their respective organizations can each be sued individually and personally for willful violation of civil rights, since they have admitted malicious intent.

 

[It-That]

50.1% yes vote as of tonight at 79% count ...

 

[RedRover]

This is something that fascinates me about this state. How does one small city iron fist the rest of the state? The rest of the state has nearly nothing at all in common with the needs of that city. Why not do a city ordinance? That woukd suit their needs (still don't support this, don't get me wrong) like Chicago and New York city do, but not completely overreach like they are doing now. Why does someone in the urban hell hole insist that people living far away from anyone else in the high desert or southern valley woods need to have the same rules? Incredibly shortsighted. If Portland wants to ban guns, then vote to ban guns in Portland. Other places don't have Portland problems, and those places don't send their problems to Portland whatsoever.

But that would be too much 'common sense', duh.

 

[leverite]

I joined and donated to the 2nd Amendment Foundation. They are responsible for most of the recent big wins and may be our best hope here.

Amen brother!
If we all donated the cost of a box of ammo...which is out of stock anyway...we'd help SAF , FPC, GOA end this legal madness!

 

[RedRover]

What's next? Somebody sues the state for violating the 2nd Amendment. Mag bans have already been thrown out by federal courts. A training class, a license, and fees to exercise a civil right won't fare any better. A public database will not fly under federal law (the 10th Amendment extends federal prohibitions to the states). A may issue system has already been ruled against. And finally, the whole thing burdens the 2nd Amendment without any demonstrable public interest being promoted.

I hope whoever sues them (and the FPC and NRA at least are waiting patiently until we have an effective date and therefor standing) moves for an injunction and/or restraining order to block implementation until the matters are litigated. Such motions are made when implementation would cause irreparable harm that cannot be reversed if the statute is thrown out. The statute specifically calls for irreversible modifications to legally possessed firearms, so it should be a slam dunk to get a stay. I can't think of any aspect of this statute that is not illegal on its face.

I would love to explore the idea of suing the state AG and SoS, since they both knew full well that the statue as written should never have been allowed on the ballot. In addition to multiple violations of the Bill of Rights, it also violates Oregon's constitution concerning ballot initiatives covering more than one issue. It would be hard to argue that their dereliction of duty was not willful. And finally, campaign materials for the statute specifically admit that the purpose of the statute is simply to impede the public's ability to exercise the rights guaranteed under the 2nd Amendment, so perhaps Rev. Knutsen and his pals, and their respective organizations can each be sued individually and personally for willful violation of civil rights, since they have admitted malicious intent.

Where do I sign up for the separate class-actions on all these entities?

I'm not looking to be the lead named plaintiff persay, as I've been told I've got a face for radio. Actually, I'm damn sexy but forget all that...

All this talk about litigating every single one these bastages for damages for the undue restriction of our consitutionally protected civil rights sounds quite dandy.

 

[TTSX]

50.1% yes vote as of tonight at 79% count ...

With a 27k vote gap. The only reason the percentage is going down is because the total votes are going up while the gap is staying more or less the same

 

[nammac]

Seems my fellow Oregonians have voted to make me a criminal. I even know the date I'll become a criminal, December 8, 2022…

Welp, if I'm going to be a criminal…
Maybe I oughta start behaving like a criminal…

At least then I'll be an official part of "their" voting block…

Such a beautiful state, geographically…. Filled with socialists…

 

[nammac]

Florida is the new Texas.

Florida had a much different election result…. Wonder why???