Man is told to wear a mask in Fred Meyer, pulls a gun

[Neostratos]

(accidental post)

 

[bgdawgrr]

There are some key words, even in this slanted story: altercation being the main one. Even if it seems extreme, don't know if the suspect feared for his life or was threatened with physical harm. "Victim" actually gets into an argument with a guy open carrying?....lots going on there.

My legitimate health reason for not wearing a mask at all times is vision related. I just can't see myself doing it!

It would be comical seeing the extremes on both sides of the mask subject if it wasn't actually a true thing. I'm neither in the "wear it or we all gonna die" nor the "zero effective" camp. I believe you do what you need to for you. If you are at risk, probably not the best idea to expose yourself.
Don't tread on me though....

 

[Dirt Diggler]

From: Prosecutors: Man told to 'put on a mask like the rest of us' pulled gun on Fred Meyer shopper

"After arguing, prosecutors said the man pulled his .22-caliber revolver from its holster, pointed it at the victim's sternum, said "get the f--- away" and threatened to shoot him."

What's the probability this guy was a brand spankin' new firearm owner? I've got a Wrangler...sure as hell isn't my first choice of carry.

I am new gun owner, i have a 22 revolver. I wouldn't pull it unless someone else pulls first... bubblegum the mask but Geez, i know better then to do That. Life is not at risk from Karen yelling about a face mask.

 

[PiratePast40]

I am new gun owner, i have a 22 revolver. I wouldn't pull it unless someone else pulls first... bubblegum the mask but Geez, i know better then to do That. Life is not at risk from Karen yelling about a face mask.

Drawing a gun while you have one pointed at you is a very bad move. I believe your conscience should dictate your level of training, not laws. Please learn more about responsible carry and likely scenarios. Your life and the lives of those around you could be in your hands. Please don't take this as demeaning or as signaling you out. I just don't want to see a new gun owner get hurt because of lack of training.

 

[Dirt Diggler]

I understand

Drawing a gun while you have one pointed at you is a very bad move. I believe your conscience should dictate your level of training, not laws. Please learn more about responsible carry and likely scenarios. Your life and the lives of those around you could be in your hands. Please don't take this as demeaning or as signaling you out. I just don't want to see a new gun owner get hurt because of lack of training.
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Drawing a gun while you have one pointed at you is a very bad move. I believe your conscience should dictate your level of training, not laws. Please learn more about responsible carry and likely scenarios. Your life and the lives of those around you could be in your hands. Please don't take this as demeaning or as signaling you out. I just don't want to see a new gun owner get hurt because of lack of training.

I'm sorry I was not more detailed with my comment. Obviously I feel singled out and comment picked apart.... Referring to the title, pulling a gun cause of some Karen is stupid. Pulling a gun when someone is pointing one at you, yes kind of stupid. I'm pretty sure that's not what I said. I'll pull my gun to protect myself and anyone else. Just because I own my first firearm doesn't mean I haven't been trained in combat. I know statistically the other gun is already out. And it's rare to even have that happen. I mean geez we can break it down all day. I appreciate your looking out for new gun owners but maybe come across a little different next time. Lots of information I'm going to miss out on now cause this forums is full keyboard warriors that never go outside or even get dirty....
Have a nice day

 

[cookie]

This sign was not at the entrance to Freddy's. But....for SOME. IMHO, they just wanna make this into a "stupid game".

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Aloha, Mark

Unless we are idiots we should spend our money elsewhere.

 

[Aaron Brand]

It makes sense how wearing a mask could prevent the spread of influenza, but CDC studies say 'not so'.
Here are conclusions regarding wearing of masks:

"In this review, we did not find evidence to support a protective effect of personal protective measures or environmental measures in reducing influenza transmission."

"Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza."

"In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks..."

So what doctors are insisting everyone wear a mask? Maybe they should not be part of the narrative.


The reference is: "Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings---Personal Protective and Environmental Measures." Published in: "Emerging Infectious Diseases, Vol.26, No. 5, May 2020." (That journal is published by the CDC.)
Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures

Sorry, I thought the discussion was the current COVID19 pandemic. My bad.

 

[Aaron Brand]

It makes sense how wearing a mask could prevent the spread of influenza, but CDC studies say 'not so'.
Here are conclusions regarding wearing of masks:

"In this review, we did not find evidence to support a protective effect of personal protective measures or environmental measures in reducing influenza transmission."

"Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza."

"In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks..."

So what doctors are insisting everyone wear a mask? Maybe they should not be part of the narrative.


The reference is: "Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings---Personal Protective and Environmental Measures." Published in: "Emerging Infectious Diseases, Vol.26, No. 5, May 2020." (That journal is published by the CDC.)
Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures

But, since you brought it up here are a couple things to consider about the study that you read that you might have missed:
"Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group."

The methods referred to different groups wearing surgical masks (more on that in the next quote), including one group of people on pilgrimage, some students in a dorm, and some people in their own homes. There were a few others, but this quote sums up why more study was needed at the time. Science.

Remember, if you wear a surgical mask and you are in close proximity to a person infected with flu (or with SARS Cov2), it doesn't help a lot. That makes sense, and that seems to be what this particular study, with regard to the flu, has found.

But if the infected person wears a mask, then it is more helpful in preventing the spread. When you are both wearing masks, it helps even more.

"We did not consider the use of respirators in the community. Respirators are tight-fitting masks that can protect the wearer from fine particles (37) and should provide better protection against influenza virus exposures when properly worn because of higher filtration efficiency. However, respirators, such as N95 and P2 masks, work best when they are fit-tested, and these masks will be in limited supply during the next pandemic. These specialist devices should be reserved for use in healthcare settings or in special subpopulations such as immunocompromised persons in the community, first responders, and those performing other critical community functions, as supplies permit."

Thankfully, science is always moving forward and finding more information. That means that we know a lot more now than we did in February, 2020, when this study was completed. Also, COVID19 is not influenza, so there's that.

 

[Aaron Brand]

If you're not wearing a mask, or your nose is sticking out of your mask, you may be carrying the virus and potentially threatening the life of my partner. Generally, I will use whatever means necessary to stop you from harming them. But don't worry. I'm not going to draw on you. I'll just give you a wide berth and probably mumble something about you being a bubbleguming idiot.

 

[Hueco]

I understand


I'm sorry I was not more detailed with my comment. Obviously I feel singled out and comment picked apart.... Referring to the title, pulling a gun cause of some Karen is stupid. Pulling a gun when someone is pointing one at you, yes kind of stupid. I'm pretty sure that's not what I said. I'll pull my gun to protect myself and anyone else. Just because I own my first firearm doesn't mean I haven't been trained in combat. I know statistically the other gun is already out. And it's rare to even have that happen. I mean geez we can break it down all day. I appreciate your looking out for new gun owners but maybe come across a little different next time. Lots of information I'm going to miss out on now cause this forums is full keyboard warriors that never go outside or even get dirty....
Have a nice day

Slow down a sec.When you take training classes, you get a few things beaten into you...like the laws on when drawing is okay or when it is brandishing, and scenarios like being concealed around an armed attacker.

All PiratePast40 was saying was that drawing on an armed opponent is typically a very bad idea. That's all. At the end of the day, you're in charge of your defense - and the people here are more than willing to help you get to wherever you're trying to go. Well, a lot of them, at least.

Here's some drawing on armed peoples, btw, with some situational awareness as well

Stay safe out there. The US is only going to heat up through November.

 

[Dinglenutz]

The main takeaway from that video is don't shop in Walmart ...



(meaning establishments full of stupid people)

 

[shojikitsune]

For some an anthill; that said the Mask Mob all seem to be looking for a fight, even if it's just "you're not wearing it the way *I* think you should." I also find it curious that thy love to get right up into smell-toecheese-on-their-breath range when they're SUPPOSED to be six feet away...

Rules for thee, not for me. Happens a lot. I just point it out, and smile. Makes 'em angrier, but I really don't care.

THIS. Hands are usually the primary vector for most diseases. What next, a GLOVE mandate?

Maybe not from government, but my employer had masks and gloves required prior to starting your shift. I sit in a guard booth in an empty parking lot all night. Eventually, the costs of the gloves got to them, I think. Corporate bean counters were trying to figure out how to make individual employees cover their own PPE...

Must this really need to go to court to define "wearing"?

Some places get by this, like Tri-Met. "Face coverings are required on all buses and Max trains." I have had drivers stop the bus until masks were on. Others don't care.

 

[wjv]

''Pick the mountain you want to die on''.


For some it's a ANT hill.

Corrected

 

[csa_ap_hill]

sorry but good, I don't wear them and won't eff people. Not sure I'd of pulled a gun but may have beat him though.
My first amendment rights to not to per Religious beliefs say I don't wear the damned things.
Sorry but good on the guy people need to just let people be.
This story is not unlike what happened in NY where a bunch of thug masked people assaulted some women for not wearing one. She in my opinion would have been justified to pull a gun on them.
It's not only the right that has Karen's it's the let as well, Our Karen's are those who report people over this crap their Karen's are those who wont wear these damned things.
Sorry but people who are against this crap need to stand up. Inslee or Kate Brown have no right to dictator to people!

 

[aksu747]

I'm against the mask because it leads to other worse things.

 

[Diamondback]

Two things from friends Up North...

It's just a mask. It's just your assault rifles. It's just a vaccine. It's just a digital ID. It's just your handguns. It's just publicizing your health records. It's just for a couple years, until the curve gets flattened. It's just small businesses closing, Amazon is cheaper anyway. It's just universal basic income. It's just your guns, crossbows are okay. It's just that your not essential anymore. It's just that you have to support Big Brother or be reeducated. It's just a boxcar. It's just a labour camp. It's just a group shower. C'mon fellas, it's just a mask.

and

The mask thing opens up a new kettle, and there may be an advantage to leverage.

What is now stopping the under aged from walking into liquor stores, cannabis stores, smokes at the convenience store, and the like, with their older siblings ID (or really, anyone who will loan them one momentarily). After all, can't take off the mask, it's mandatory!

Expand that to certain groups who are allowed face coverings, or lack of photo on their government issued ID. Now let your mind wander, and I think it opens an opportunity to challenge the current status quo (after the major ####show slows down, that is. Bigger fish to fry right now)

Anyways, for the purpose, I am in the unmasked camp. However, I am getting some custom made ones that should be ready any day now. Black base material, with the family tattoo printed on them; which consists of an Anarchy symbol with the wording "#### you you ####in' ####" across the crossbar of the "A". I think people will understand my position on masks, and I will not remove it in a mandatory setting.

Might as well have some fun, if everyone else is going to be idiots.