Oregon Liberal Gun Club to Lobby Against ‘Draconian’ Oregon Gun Control Bill

[stick655]

Thanks for the info @Eeyore, I will check it out.

And if folks could step back, regroup, read what @AndyinEverson wrote, and really think about this fair and square, then we may be starting to head in the right direction.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

"Andy had a sweet, naive look when he smiled"

AWWW...Thanks...
It is funny when you see your name in a definition or example...
Andy

 

[MannyGlocks]

How, if we can't use tags like Conservative or Liberal how do we establish our political leaning?

I'm not wishy washy about my political perspective, I'm a Conservative, a Capitalist, and a believer in free speech, the 2nd A and free enterprise.

I'm willing to engage in respectful dialogue with Liberals as long as it's a two way street. Sure, if those with a different political perspective are willing to freely exchange ideas without rancor, heck yeah, that's a great idea....., but yes, I have grave concerns when it comes my Capitalist foundation talking to a marxist or say a first cousin of it like socialism who want things like income distribution.

Frankly, I don't have much faith we'll ever see a mutual understanding of ...anything. There's too much distance between the two or more political perspectives to ever really reconcile.

As in: I'm not going to be held up for what I've hard earned for someone to sincerely think I owe them 'their fair share' as they like to refer to it as...so how we ever going to agree on firearms and all that entails?

 

[Boats]

If you'd like a list of names of wavering Republicans who are not certain to vote against these bills they can be provided. When are you going to get to work to shore up your end? There are vipers in your ranks too, buddy. So get off the keyboard, butch up, and stop wasting your time with the low hanging fruit of liberal bashing on a conservative website when you could be doing something useful.

Lol. Yes, because Boquist is the make or break vote on these things. If you haven't noticed, it's YOUR CAMP that has the largest anti-gun cesspool that also runs the deepest. Get busy.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

How, if we can't use tags like Conservative or Liberal do we establish our political leaning?

Speaking only for myself here...
I dislike labels because :
They can stifle free thinking...
Some folks tend to make blanket statements or assumptions about someone or something because
they identify as______
The blind followers of whatever label they claim as theirs...
Some folks can't "see" past a label...
At times some people think that all folks of a certain label think and act alike...


Also labels like Conservative or Liberal can mean many different things to many different people...Just who gets to set the definition...?
Personally I like Mr.Webster and his Dictionary...but as I have quoted him before regarding the definitions of Conservative and Liberal...And been insulted for doing so....I am reluctant to do so again...

Please note that I am not saying that one should not or can not use "tags" or labels...I am saying that I do not like to use them.
Andy

 

[Herb g]

How, if we can't use tags like Conservative or Liberal do we establish our political leaning?

I'm not wishy washy about my political perspective, I'm a Conservative, a Capitalist, and a believer in free speech, the 2nd A and free enterprise.

I'm willing to engage in respectful dialogue with Liberals as long as it's a two way street. Sure, if those with a different political perspective are willing to freely exchange ideas without rancor, heck yeah, that's a great idea....., but yes, I have grave concerns when it comes my Capitalist foundation talking to a marxist or say a first cousin of it like socialism who want things like income distribution.

Frankly, I don't have much faith we'll ever see a mutual understanding of ...anything. There's too much distance between the two or more political perspectives to ever really reconcile.

As in: I'm not going to be held up for what I've hard earned for someone to sincerely think I owe them 'their fair share' as they like to refer to it as...so how we ever going to agree on firearms and all that entails?

When one side digs in and throws a tantrum,resists, refuses to negotiate unless they get their way, what can the other side do? Do you have to start playing by their rules? The country is getting crazier, more PC by the day...realistically, mutual understanding has gone the way of the do-do bird. Might be time to think about what to do with the losers when the time comes. Obvious we can't both live on the same planet. Maybe build spaceships to send them back to recolonize their home planet- Bazzarro.

 

[RVTECH]

Once again singled out by the same group who claims tolerance and unity in this thread.

So, in effect you were entitled to their opinion and not yours?
For all my 'tolerance' of liberals this is what I have typically experienced when discussing ANYTHING with a liberal.
They get the last word, over speak and in some situations (and depending on the liberal) I have gotten what seems like an 'Intellectual, Moral Superiority' 'force field' thrown up that I am not allowed to breach, because the liberal ends the conversation in a very dogmatic and decisive manner and nothing more is allowed.
The liberal will no longer listen, and if necessary takes a very 'haughty' approach to terminate the interaction.

 

[Ura-Ki]

We need to stop with the parties and stop with the party lines if we are to have any chance at all. We need to come together as a united voice and leave off the political leanings. This constant bickering between the left and the right and all the other points of the compass isnt doing us any good in this fight! Ether we can learn to work together, or we all suffer the losses together!
This bitterness has got to stop, this constant fight between groups here must stop! Calling each other out isnt helping, and the attitude of contention between us is only making things worse! Watching this thread is like watching two teams of 6 year olds throw a tantrum about loosing the game instead of playing the game while there is still a game to play, and loose the game in the end any way, while throwing a bigger tantrum at the loss!

 

[etrain16]

We need to stop with the parties and stop with the party lines if we are to have any chance at all. We need to come together as a united voice and leave off the political leanings. This constant bickering between the left and the right and all the other points of the compass isnt doing us any good in this fight! Ether we can learn to work together, or we all suffer the losses together!
This bitterness has got to stop, this constant fight between groups here must stop! Calling each other out isnt helping, and the attitude of contention between us is only making things worse! Watching this thread is like watching two teams of 6 year olds throw a tantrum about loosing the game instead of playing the game while there is still a fame to play, and loose the game in the end any way, while throwing a bigger tantrum at the loss!

Oh for the day we could actually get gun owners to work together against gun control. I gotta say, everyone blames the Democrats, but I'll tell you straight up - gun owners are our own worst enemies sometimes. No wonder the anti's walk over us every chance they get.

If we can't work with people with labels different than our own, then we deserve to lose. We deserve to get put under the thumb of government.

I'm not a Republican
I'm not a Democrat
I'm not a Libertarian
I'm not an Independent

I'm non-affiliated. No party represents me enough to deserve my support. I will work hand in hand with anyone that fights for our gun rights regardless of some damn letter after their name. There's a bigger picture than the individual or the party here folks. Time to wake up and see WE CAN'T WIN on our own - we simply don't have the votes or the power. Chest thumping doesn't win elections or stop crappy laws.

 

[Boats]

We need to stop with the parties and stop with the party lines if we are to have any chance at all. We need to come together as a united voice and leave off the political leanings. This constant bickering between the left and the right and all the other points of the compass isnt doing us any good in this fight! Ether we can learn to work together, or we all suffer the losses together!
This bitterness has got to stop, this constant fight between groups here must stop! Calling each other out isnt helping, and the attitude of contention between us is only making things worse! Watching this thread is like watching two teams of 6 year olds throw a tantrum about loosing the game instead of playing the game while there is still a game to play, and loose the game in the end any way, while throwing a bigger tantrum at the loss!

Oh come on.

Unity is WAY OVERRATED.

To keep Nazis out of the convo, let's tag the local anti-gun pols as the equivalent of totalitarian Imperial Japan circa WW2. Lots of countries fought Imperial Japan, and not many of them were chummy about things otherwise.

The only thing truly held in common by all Allies was a desire to defeat Japan.

In the context of this example, we "right wingers" have been fighting the gun grabbers from the moment they attacked us. It's an exhausting fight, and at this juncture, we're down, kind of like the US before Guadalcanal, but we also know we'll inevitably win (SCOTUS). If we ever get to nuke our totalitarian foe down the road, rhetorically, so much the better.

Up 'til recently, there hasn't been so much as noise about beating the Japanese out of our new found Red Commie "friends." Of course, they have "fascists" to fight and a gazillion other more important things to do than to defeat the Japanese, such as turn on their own and devour one another over ideological impurities.

No one doing the actual fighting against the enemy cares about the Red Commies' psychodrama. We don't care that they say one thing here and other reprehensible things about us in private at their Politburo.

However, when they've only paid lip service to fighting Japanese in this scenario, we aren't going to listen to their "glorious" and self-serving war stories either. They're all exaggerations of doing little to nothing.

You don't have to like us, and we don't have to like you. We don't have to have seaside retreats at the coast and pretend to be chummy.

However, you do have to do more than posture. Until then, you don't get much in the way of a polite hearing as a supposed "ally."

If action ever truly speaks louder than words, it's time for the LGC to do so, rather than to go on yakking about what they might do someday, maybe, if ever.

 

[Herb g]

Oh for the day we could actually get gun owners to work together against gun control. I gotta say, everyone blames the Democrats, but I'll tell you straight up - gun owners are our own worst enemies sometimes. No wonder the anti's walk over us every chance they get.

If we can't work with people with labels different than our own, then we deserve to lose. We deserve to get put under the thumb of government.

I'm not a Republican
I'm not a Democrat
I'm not a Libertarian
I'm not an Independent

I'm non-affiliated. No party represents me enough to deserve my support. I will work hand in hand with anyone that fights for our gun rights regardless of some damn letter after their name. There's a bigger picture than the individual or the party here folks. Time to wake up and see WE CAN'T WIN on our own - we simply don't have the votes or the power. Chest thumping doesn't win elections or stop crappy laws.

When you keep sending D's, with their known anti-gun platform to Salem/Olympia, and you think you'll get help from those who put them there...there's another definition for that. The conclusion of these sessions is easily predictable, just like the two before it...cut, cut, cut...till it's all gone. Yes, we're all at fault for not putting up The Wall at the CA/OR border years ago.

 

[Ura-Ki]

To put a blanket of blame on all of US, isnt true at all. WE didnt send the anti gun politicos to office, the ultra side of Portland and Eugene did, the rest of the state voted the other way! Here is the biggest problem, those two cities get to decide the fate of the entire state despite our best efforts!

 

[MannyGlocks]

You can be strong in your particular political leaning or you can be 'whatever way the wind blows' - is not for me.

I used to be the new kid at a lot of different schools as my Dad and I traveled...hitchhiking a lot. All over the country for years.

So, when the 'bully' came to me the new kid, to verbally degrade me into groveling, then beat on me, I'd hit em when their hands were down.

Is that behavior fair of me?

Yes, as I was probably the smallest or perhaps in the top 5% of the student body small kids.

The bullies were invariably much bigger, but certain I would accept being humiliated and then beaten, so what did I have to lose?

Most of the time, the bully would be shocked after I punched in the eye or nose to be bloodied and then...run away. No, not always, but usually. When the bully was a fighter, I'd wade right in and generally won those fights too because I just wouldn't give in.

I won't be bullied by dem/commies either no matter how much they insist I give in to their wacko demands...

 

[DuneHopper]

 

[DB is Here]

This thread resembles something I saw at the Zoo one time...Monkeys throwing poo at each other.
Blood to a body is like conversation to an relationship...Grow up and start talking like humans ought.

 

[DuneHopper]

This thread resembles something I saw at the Zoo one time...Monkeys throwing poo at each other.
Blood to a body is like conversation to an relationship...Grow up and start talking like humans ought.

I agree, its a nice thought. But not something people are willing to do, just take a look at any government session, they throw their
own poo, so to think it wouldn't happen here? You have too many people with too many ideas and concerns. And too many attacks on all sides. Exactly what those in power flourish in doing to preserve power and chaos.

 

[Boats]

Kumbaya sucks both on principle and as a song.

 

[11Charlie]

This thread is way over the top and not what NWFA is all about. Rule 1 be excellent to each other. I have seen enough thread closed!