Hunting guide mauled by Grizzly

[DirectDrive]

Russian bear damage

I'm thinkin' .375 H&H or better for the bear gun

 

[Ura-Ki]

Here he is again, just about to snooze for the afternoon! What a life!

 

[Ura-Ki]

Only one Minor problem, Apparently the big guy got Busy a couple years ago, and now we have visitors poking around to see how the Ol'Man is getting on!

 

[Ura-Ki]

Then there is this little bastage, he has caused all sorts of trouble and has made his den under the front porch, along with his Ol'Lady and three kits who are also a royal pain in the azz!

Careful what you wish for, wild animals can be a real pain! I have been really close to ending this little bugger, especially when he got into my shop and went through every thing making a serious mess!

 

[DirectDrive]

"Hey Mister, ever think about gettin' some chickens ?"

 

[Flopsweat]

"Hey Mister, ever think about gettin' some chickens ?"
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He'd make a pretty collar or shawl.

 

[Ura-Ki]

Actually the only reason I let him hang around is he kills all the mice and other rodents that get into things, plus, when he is around, no snakes or spiders, so, he IS actually quite helpful, when he isn't helping his self to stuff he shouldn't! Wife says he would make a most excelent collar, I threaten to make him into a hat, even showing him pictures of hats on my lap top! I think he thinks is its a game!

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Just like when there is a widely posted self defense shooting...
The folks in the OP will be second guessed and judged seven ways to Sunday , by people who weren't there.

I would like to think that I wouldn't have cut and run and left a guy in the lurch...
But while I have seen , been in and done some stuff , in combat , I have never been face to face with a hungry or pissed off Grizzly Bear.

I wasn't there and haven't heard all the "facts" in the story , so no real comments from me , 'bout what was done , not done or should have been done , other than :

Remember that when you go out in the wild , you are not the one with thick fur , claws and fangs , you do not live in the wild ....But you are where the wild things are , where they live , play and eat...Be alert at all times....
Andy

 

[revjen45]

Any handgun is sub-optimal for dealing with a bear attack (like - DUH! on that) and a .44 Mag is the minimum. A 240 gr HP load in a .44 may be the choice for hunting critters that don't regard you as vittles, but for bear a 300 gr hard cast bullet with ogive & 70-80% meplat is more likely what you would want.
I recall an apocryphal story about a group of hunters who were charged by a big grizzly upon disembarking from their pickup (no, I don't have a link). All who had their rifles deployed opened fire (only 2 calibers I remember are .30-06 and 7mm Mag) without stopping the bear. Those who had exited the truck got back in and the bear mauled the truck most expensively before keeling over. The bear had soaked up 7 rds. of serious rifle fire and managed to live long enough to seriously damage the truck.
Iff'n I had muh druthers, my choice of a gun for dealing with enraged bears would be an MG-42 or a FG-42 in 7.92 x 57mm (Bren Gun also acceptable) with full auto turned ON.
And no, when it comes to something that wants to kill me I don't care to give it a sporting chance.

 

[osprey]

You are too nice Andy but I will stand by my comments. The facts are, they were in known grizz country gutting animal with no firearm readily availabe. I have no comments on the clients actions as he was paying the guide for his expertise. As I said before the guide showed a lapse in judgement and he paid for it dearly.

 

[Alexx1401]

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They are such magnificent animals. Would love to live where I could see them in the wild. They need to be treated with a lot of respect though as these guys sadly found out too late. I would hate to kill of in my own defense but given a choice of me or the Bear, I of course would choose me.

 

[DuneHopper]

 

[DirectDrive]

Here's one that is not full size.
Imagine trying to stop him when he's coming at you like this.
The Glock 10mm just got removed from the list.

 

[osprey]

Here's one that is not full size.
Imagine trying to stop him when he's coming at you like this.
The Glock 10mm just got removed from the list.
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That is one of my favorite photos. Im filing the front sight off my G20 as we speak lol.

 

[SparksFly]

They were not completely unarmed. Besides the Bear Spray, they did have a handgun stored inside a pack. The client hunter did manage to retrieve it. If you go to the link I posted earlier, you will see in the video interview that he attempted to throw the handgun to the guide. But he admitted that his throw was off, and that it landed short, and the guide was never able to retrieve it. The client then ran from the scene for his life.

But honestly, is there any handgun that has ever been made, that one would feel comfortable in using to stop an enraged Grizzly?? Sure seems like a job for a rifle, to me.

Or maybe a shotgun with some deep penetrating slug shells:

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.500 Magnum maybe? Or a .50AE Deagle?

 

[11Charlie]

Here's one that is not full size.
Imagine trying to stop him when he's coming at you like this.
The Glock 10mm just got removed from the list.
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Thats when you hope to god you have a sentry posted up in a tree with a 50BMG sniper rifle who is a good damn shot.

 

[SparksFly]

I have a book about bear stories from Yellowstone. One in particular was a Ranger out on fire watch with his horse and pack mule. They hunkered down due to thunder and lightning, but the mule broke loose and ran off. The next day he found the mule dead from a lightnig strike. The ranger went back to camp and called for help. When the went back to see the mule they found it dragged off, uphill into the trees. They said the mule probably weight 1200+ lbs and a grizzly pulled it uphill into the trees.

I have one about Alaska! One of the stories that stuck out to me was 2 hunters shooting some 30 rounds into a charging grizzly's heart, completely blowing out the heart, and the bear still managed to grab one guy, kill him, and drag him 200 yards.

 

[DirectDrive]

.500 Magnum maybe? Or a .50AE Deagle?

No, not really.
I would say that a nice starting point would be a .375 Ruger Guide Gun.
Same power as .375 H&H but in a handier package.
300 grains of fast moving, angry lead.

 

[DuneHopper]

I wasn't there obviously, but seems like this just brings a even more bright light on Apex animals.
When you have animals that see you as a snack, there has to be lawful ways to lesson the exposure on humans.

I find it interesting, how many people would say, oh poor bears. But would not want a Tyrannosaurus Rex loose running around
if they were here. News flash you do not need a 20ft high animals to kill you, bears do it very well.
I think Nature needs to be kept intact, I also know we need to always see our selves as the Apex Predator, and never let any animal hold that title, we earned that title as the smartest and most adaptable species.

 

[SparksFly]

No, not really.
I would say that a nice starting point would be a .375 Ruger Guide Gun.

You would get a lot more velocity and power out of a rifle, I was thinking handgun-wise, hadn't really thought about a bush rifle.