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Hawthorne, CA Police Kill Dog

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by ZigZagZeke, Jul 1, 2013.

  1. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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  2. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I am such a dog lover that I can't bring myself to watch it. I am betting I would be infuriated though judging by your post.
     
  3. Kable

    Kable Lynnwood Active Member

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    What the heck, they all need to lose their jobs! Why was the guy getting arrested anyway he was just recording them
     
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  4. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    That was F'ed up
     
  5. cncmasterofor

    cncmasterofor O.C. New Member

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    I grew up in Hawthorne. Granted this happened towards the not so great part, but definitely not the worst.

    I'm not sure why the owner was being placed in cuffs in the first place. I saw no wrong doing on his part that would warrant such actions.
     
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  6. Frankenrifle

    Frankenrifle Clatskanie Active Member

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    Bad move taking the guy into custody, but that was a good shoot. The dog was aggressive, the officer reacted.
     
  7. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    They had no legitimate reason for initiating the contact. They brought the problem on themselves. By concealed carry standards, the cops were the aggressors, and the shooting would not be justified.
     
  8. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    All he was doing was taking videos of the cops from about 150 feet away. They approached him carrying weapons and cuffed him. He had put the dog in the car as they approached but the windows were open. As they roughed him up during their pat down, with him cuffed, his rottweiler came out of the car and attacked one of the officers, who shot it several times. If it were you or me, with a concealed carry permit, and we initiated an altercation with this guy and his dog attacked us so we shot it, what would be the outcome?

    The cops need to be looking for a new line of work.
     
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  9. Frankenrifle

    Frankenrifle Clatskanie Active Member

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    You go to the convenience store, on walking in you bump a person walking out, the bag falls out of their grip and spills overpriced snackfoods and watery beer cans on the sidewalk. They, in a gruff voice, say 'watch it'. The guy with you swings at him. He responds in defense.

    That's what you saw in the video.

    Untill the dog became aggressive it was just a stupid thing the cops were doing. As soon as the dog lunged the first time they could have shot it. Discard the owner getting arrested. That's not the point. There was an attack happening, they had cause to shoot. Of course if they had not bothered the guy the dog wouldn't have come to defend him. On that point it is all their fault. But the shoot was still good.
     
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    chase Wilsonville, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Thats horible. Also the video is viral, 641k hits in two days. It will be interesting to know the outcome.
     
  11. osterr1999

    osterr1999 Silverton, OR Active Member

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    Of course they could have taken the guys cuffs off and let him secure the dog better and then hauled him off, even though they had no reason to do so. If that was my dog, I would sue the department and the cop that shot my dog. I guarantee that if you show that to a jury with the dog getting shot and kicking on the ground like the you will win.
     
  12. Tbucket

    Tbucket Olympia,Wash. Active Member

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    Um, its the cops so we know the outcome. Nothing will become of it, and we all know it.
     
  13. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Don't they carry pepper spray anymore? I would think that a good shot to the face of that Rottweiler would have defused the situation.
     
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  14. Tbucket

    Tbucket Olympia,Wash. Active Member

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    Exactly what I was thinking, why did they cuff him in the first place? Did not look confrontational at all and was cooperating with everything they were doing.
     
  15. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    From a civil suit standpoint, the proximate cause of the shooting was the illegal behavior of the police. The dog would not have attacked without the provocation of the police illegally hassling its master. Further, they physically prevented the dog's master from controlling it. Since the actions of the police were unlawful, punitive damages should apply. Punitive damages need have no relation to the actual damages. The standard for punitive damages is the amount of money it will take to make the offender (or his employer) pay attention and avoid doing the same thing in the future. For a city, that could mean millions of dollars. Show that video to a jury and they will quickly be on board.
     
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    akmewon clackamas Active Member

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    That was the worst video i have ever seen!!!!They should have let him control his dog.All it looked like he was doin was filming a little close.
     
  17. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    For every 'cop saves kid from abductor at the grocery store' 'cop as hero' video there are ten like this. Hard to be a fan.
     
  18. TCOV

    TCOV OLYMPIC PENINSULA Active Member

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    Let's call this what it is. White cops illegally harassing a black male bystander. Freakin cops are their own worst enemys.
     
  19. razormanxx

    razormanxx eugene Active Member

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    So so so wrong. So if that man had a 12 year old son, the child might say "what are you doing to my dad" and pick up a stick to defend his daddy, would the cops shoot a child? Dogs are just as much of a family member as any human. This is so so wrong.
     
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  20. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    Yes.
     
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