Gun in hotel room

[40Garand]

Hmmm sounds fishy. Maids will leave used condoms under the bed from previous guests but they don't ever miss valuables. I bet there are a few house keepers out there with some nice guns.

 

[gryghin]

I was on the road and found myself locked out of my room. I went to the front desk, they asked me to wait a few minutes until the police arrived to escort me to my room and escort me and my firearm out of the building.

The problem I had was my pistol was buried deep in my luggage so they had to have been rooting around to find it. They did point out a smallish sign that was unreadable from my side of the desk stating this policy.

I did manage to get the last laugh, I brought up this topic with a friend, he in turn changed his hotel reservation to where I had problems. He also got locked out and when the cops arrived it became a game of show and tell, badges being flashed everywhere. Suddenly their policy no longer applied to him or his friends.

I've always brought a small lock box with me when staying at a hotel. It's big enough to put my pistol and wallet.

Now that it's confirmed that they rummage through bags, I'm going to have to travel with something that would embarrass them.

 

[OldBroad44]

Unemployment paying more than work does a lot of times. My son got out of the Army, I asked why he wasn't looking for a Job, he said "Dad Mcdonald's Pays $5.50 an hour unemployment pay a little more than $8 an hour, which paycheck makes sense to you" I should have boxed his ears, but I did the math

That was in the early '90's

You can't live on $5.50 an hour with no benefits or insurance. Not even with tips. It only works for teenagers who live at home and are covered by parents insurance. Or someone else where someone else is the main provider. And these are exhausting jobs, too. Even with no unemployment, grown son who is just out of army would be wiser to crash with parents or friends and spend his time and energy looking for a real job rather than working at a job that traps him into a dead end.

These jobs are now not only underpaid. In the covid era they are also dangerous. In addition, they are usually short staffed and anyone who takes the job is expected to somehow do the work of two or more people. Being paid crap and treated like crap to do a lousy job with customers unhappy because of slow service is just more than most people can take. Where there are kids at home from pandemic-closed schools, lots of people are deciding it makes more sense for one parent to stay home to care for kids and help family other ways such as growing a big garden, and/or cooking real food from scratch and/or starting a home based business rather than to take a low paying job with a different company. The only advantage of the job was the myth of job security. But once someone gets fired from such a job, that myth is busted. And they aren't coming back to that job except for a lot higher pay than before.

Just how creepy would the job have to be before you thought it was legitimate to say no to that job if you're unemployed? Usually contempt in wages goes with other kinds of contempt too. What about several dollars under minimum wage, manager keeps your tips, and you have to put out for manager too? With no condoms and manager probably has a std.

Wages for these jobs have been flat for decades. In addition, even low-paid crap jobs these days may require employees to sign non-compete clauses that make it impossible for employee to quit and get any other such job. If that's the only job they are qualified for, pay can be kept artificially low because employees can't quit. Such none compete causes used to apply just to high level employees who knew the trade secrets and IP of a firm. Such as design engineers. Non-compete clauses have been extended to trap low paid employees into dead end jobs in many states, making it impossible to quit a job and get a better job in the same industry. (OR doesn't allow non-compete causes for low-level jobs.) In addition, these days employer may require such employees to essentially be on call 24/7, and drop what they are doing and come to work whenever so ordered. And get fired if they dont. So a crap job for less than minimum wage and less than 30 hrs/week so they don't have to pay bennies can no longer get combined with another job. Or with taking care of your kids after school. Or anything else. Employees are expected to be reachable by phone 24/7. So you have a boss 24/7 even when in your own home. Used to be the boss was your boss just at work. So flat pay for decades and grossly deteriorating working terms and conditions. A huge shift in the balance of power between companies and employees the last several decades was all in favor of business.

That balance of power has shifted. I'm expecting there to soon be an effective minimum wage of $15 or more per hour nearly everywhere, whether anybody passes laws requiring it or not. And of course buying any goods and services will be lots more expensive. We are living in interesting times.

 

[Pandaz3]

I think they make near $12 an hour now so flat they may have been, but still they get double now and a little more.

 

[wired]

You can't live on $5.50 an hour with no benefits or insurance. Not even with tips. It only works for teenagers who live at home and are covered by parents insurance. Or someone else where someone else is the main provider. And these are exhausting jobs, too. Even with no unemployment, grown son who is just out of army would be wiser to crash with parents or friends and spend his time and energy looking for a real job rather than working at a job that traps him into a dead end.

These jobs are now not only underpaid. In the covid era they are also dangerous. In addition, they are usually short staffed and anyone who takes the job is expected to somehow do the work of two or more people. Being paid crap and treated like crap to do a lousy job with customers unhappy because of slow service is just more than most people can take. Where there are kids at home from pandemic-closed schools, lots of people are deciding it makes more sense for one parent to stay home to care for kids and help family other ways such as growing a big garden, and/or cooking real food from scratch and/or starting a home based business rather than to take a low paying job with a different company. The only advantage of the job was the myth of job security. But once someone gets fired from such a job, that myth is busted. And they aren't coming back to that job except for a lot higher pay than before.

Just how creepy would the job have to be before you thought it was legitimate to say no to that job if you're unemployed? Usually contempt in wages goes with other kinds of contempt too. What about several dollars under minimum wage, manager keeps your tips, and you have to put out for manager too? With no condoms and manager probably has a std.

Wages for these jobs have been flat for decades. In addition, even low-paid crap jobs these days may require employees to sign non-compete clauses that make it impossible for employee to quit and get any other such job. If that's the only job they are qualified for, pay can be kept artificially low because employees can't quit. Such none compete causes used to apply just to high level employees who knew the trade secrets and IP of a firm. Such as design engineers. Non-compete clauses have been extended to trap low paid employees into dead end jobs in many states, making it impossible to quit a job and get a better job in the same industry. (OR doesn't allow non-compete causes for low-level jobs.) In addition, these days employer may require such employees to essentially be on call 24/7, and drop what they are doing and come to work whenever so ordered. And get fired if they dont. So a crap job for less than minimum wage and less than 30 hrs/week so they don't have to pay bennies can no longer get combined with another job. Or with taking care of your kids after school. Or anything else. Employees are expected to be reachable by phone 24/7. So you have a boss 24/7 even when in your own home. Used to be the boss was your boss just at work. So flat pay for decades and grossly deteriorating working terms and conditions. A huge shift in the balance of power between companies and employees the last several decades was all in favor of business.

That balance of power has shifted. I'm expecting there to soon be an effective minimum wage of $15 or more per hour nearly everywhere, whether anybody passes laws requiring it or not. And of course buying any goods and services will be lots more expensive. We are living in interesting times.

Non competes end at the companies ability or willingness to pay a lawyer to enforce them . They're essentially unenforceable.

 

[Stomper]

Tells you how thorough the cleaning crew is.

So true! I've gotten to the point where I remove all the sheets when leaving a hotel room. At least the next person might have a better chance at clean sheets.

I suggest everyone carry a portable black-light with them and scan the bedding….. eeeeewwwwww!

 

[papersoldier]

I suggest everyone carry a portable black-light with them and scan the bedding….. eeeeewwwwww!

Years ago I worked security in an upscale hotel in the downtown area of a major PNW city and I'll tell you what - if people knew how housekeeping "cleaned" hotel rooms they would be horrified.

A few tips for all you who travel a lot: Immediately after checking into your hotel room call down to the front desk and request an new duvet. Duvets were basically never cleaned unless they were obviously dirty or stained. Housekeeping would just fluff it out and straighten it back out on the bed for the next guest. Second tip: Don't drink out of the glass cups left in your room for you (you know the ones, with the little paper covers). I've seen housekeeping pick up these dirty cups in a room, spray them with Pledge and wipe them out with a rag. It actually makes them surprisingly sparkly and "clean" looking...

After working at a hotel I literally never want to stay at one again.

 

[ATCclears]

My daughter stayed at a hotel South of Portland, OR a few years ago. She left her Apple charging cable in the room for the day. She got back and it had been swapped with a cheap, third-party charging cable.

Never leave anything of value in a hotel room - not even your charging cables...

 

[revjen45]

"After working at a hotel I literally never want to stay at one again."

This is pretty much true of most things. People who know the score know it sucks (whatever IT is).
After 7+ yrs of building mobile homes I wouldn't buy or live in one. Among other things they burn like a matchbox. If you leapt out of bed upon hearing the smoke detector, threw a chair through the window and dived out behind it you might survive.
I knew a fellow who worked at a processed "food" factory and he wouldn't eat what he made. Oh, and he was suddenly sick a lot when he started there.

 

[Jonnyuma]

"There is no Mafia!"

Mr Hoover?
Is that you?

 

[WillametteWill]

I haven't been able to drag housekeeping into a room since covid. I stayed a week at a Holiday Inn in Wisconsin in May and they never set foot into the room. I asked three times to have the trash emptied and finally had to do it myself. Seems like only the small mom & pop hotels are doing daily cleaning in most places. When I do have to leave a gun in the room it is in a locked case inside my locked suitcase. Now with 554 in OR gun are legally required to be locked up anyway, right? Other states have similar laws as well. I know others have access to my room so to me I need to make sure guns are secured. Until coviid, I spent about two plus months of the year in hotels.

That balance of power has shifted. I'm expecting there to soon be an effective minimum wage of $15 or more per hour nearly everywhere, whether anybody passes laws requiring it or not. And of course buying any goods and services will be lots more expensive. We are living in interesting times.

Minimum wages mess with a free market economy. You are seeing an effective minimum wage at the moment of $15+ in most places for nearly any job, fast food included. While driving back from the above noted trip to WI, lost count at the number of "Now Hiring $15, $16, $17 per hour to start" signs in WI, MN, MT, WY, ID, CO that I saw. Businesses are having to compete with free money from .gov and are losing. Welcome to more inflation.

I hadn't heard these jobs are trying to use NC clauses, that show how desperate they are. Pretty unenforceable as noted prior but I'm sure it scares many into staying.

 

[The Heretic]

"After working at a hotel I literally never want to stay at one again."

This is pretty much true of most things. People who know the score know it sucks (whatever IT is).
After 7+ yrs of building mobile homes I wouldn't buy or live in one. Among other things they burn like a matchbox. If you leapt out of bed upon hearing the smoke detector, threw a chair through the window and dived out behind it you might survive.
I knew a fellow who worked at a processed "food" factory and he wouldn't eat what he made. Oh, and he was suddenly sick a lot when he started there.

I worked in three different mobile home factories back in the 70s (when they really slapped them together with poor standards). It depends on the manufacturer. The last manufacturer I worked at used 2x6 studs, and each had to be hand picked for straightness and other qualities. Instead of pushing out ten homes per day, they did 2-3 and the emphasis was on quality.

I currently like in a 25 year old triple wide made at that factory, although I am not sure if it was made by the same company (different name), but for the most part it is an okay home. Not as good as most stick built homes, but I have seen those slapped together too.

 

[AMT]

I was on the road and found myself locked out of my room. I went to the front desk, they asked me to wait a few minutes until the police arrived to escort me to my room and escort me and my firearm out of the building.

The problem I had was my pistol was buried deep in my luggage so they had to have been rooting around to find it. They did point out a smallish sign that was unreadable from my side of the desk stating this policy.

I did manage to get the last laugh, I brought up this topic with a friend, he in turn changed his hotel reservation to where I had problems. He also got locked out and when the cops arrived it became a game of show and tell, badges being flashed everywhere. Suddenly their policy no longer applied to him or his friends.

Sounds like that hotel goes through your personal belongings while you are away. Which is a violation of your 4th Amendment rights. Which hotel chain was this? I'll make sure that I do not stay there!

 

[The Heretic]

Sounds like that hotel goes through your personal belongings while you are away. Which is a violation of your 4th Amendment rights. Which hotel chain was this? I'll make sure that I do not stay there!

The BOR does little to protect against private non-gov entities infringing on our rights, it mostly prevents the US government from doing so. I highly doubt that a hotel/motel going thru your personal things would be seen in court as a violation of your 4th Amendment rights, at most it would maybe violate state or local renter/tenant laws.

That said, any hospitality org that goes thru your private belongings like that should be outed and put on a black list for all to hear.

 

[boattail]

The BOR does little to protect against private non-gov entities infringing on our rights, it mostly prevents the US government from doing so. I highly doubt that a hotel/motel going thru your personal things would be seen in court as a violation of your 4th Amendment rights, at most it would maybe violate state or local renter/tenant laws.

That said, any hospitality org that goes thru your private belongings like that should be outed and put on a black list for all to hear.

I would bet that almost all the hotels have staff that peek inside your belongings. I know the one that took my towel told me they have a lot of towel theft so they check for their towels in your stuff. I have just learned to never let them in, keep valuables on me or with me, and I set little traps or tells to see if they entered my room while I was out. I put the door hanger on and will move the little coffee tables behind the door so I have to squeeze out when I leave the room. I always put one of those tables in front of any adjoining room door as well. Once I trust the place I stop making it hard on myself. My occupation is known at time of check in and they seem not to want to mess with me as they already assume I am armed.

The main place I stay currently is pretty good and they don't bother me. I usually will bring a project with me to work on in the evenings and have had carburetors or magnetos spread out across the table at times. I've even reloaded once in the room

 

[Certaindeaf]

I would bet that almost all the hotels have staff that peek inside your belongings. I know the one that took my towel told me they have a lot of towel theft so they check for their towels in your stuff. I have just learned to never let them in, keep valuables on me or with me, and I set little traps or tells to see if they entered my room while I was out. I put the door hanger on and will move the little coffee tables behind the door so I have to squeeze out when I leave the room. I always put one of those tables in front of any adjoining room door as well. Once I trust the place I stop making it hard on myself. My occupation is known at time of check in and they seem not to want to mess with me as they already assume I am armed.

The main place I stay currently is pretty good and they don't bother me. I usually will bring a project with me to work on in the evenings and have had carburetors or magnetos spread out across the table at times. I've even reloaded once in the room

Chopper riding drug dealer?

 

[2506]

Reminds me of the time in college (many, many moons ago) when a buddy bought a couch for our apartment from Goodwill. There was a stainless PPK stuffed between the cushions. He still has it to this day.

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

I found an unopened can of Copenhagen a couple weeks ago at my last hotel stay. Not nearly as cool.

tell me you didnt grab it and pack it a few times then set it back down

 

[Kruel J]

tell me you didnt grab it and pack it a few times then set it back down

Dude, I kept it. It's still in my backpack actually

 

[Flopsweat]

You can't live on $5.50 an hour with no benefits or insurance. Not even with tips. It only works for teenagers who live at home and are covered by parents insurance. Or someone else where someone else is the main provider. And these are exhausting jobs, too. Even with no unemployment, grown son who is just out of army would be wiser to crash with parents or friends and spend his time and energy looking for a real job rather than working at a job that traps him into a dead end.

These jobs are now not only underpaid. In the covid era they are also dangerous. In addition, they are usually short staffed and anyone who takes the job is expected to somehow do the work of two or more people. Being paid crap and treated like crap to do a lousy job with customers unhappy because of slow service is just more than most people can take. Where there are kids at home from pandemic-closed schools, lots of people are deciding it makes more sense for one parent to stay home to care for kids and help family other ways such as growing a big garden, and/or cooking real food from scratch and/or starting a home based business rather than to take a low paying job with a different company. The only advantage of the job was the myth of job security. But once someone gets fired from such a job, that myth is busted. And they aren't coming back to that job except for a lot higher pay than before.

Just how creepy would the job have to be before you thought it was legitimate to say no to that job if you're unemployed? Usually contempt in wages goes with other kinds of contempt too. What about several dollars under minimum wage, manager keeps your tips, and you have to put out for manager too? With no condoms and manager probably has a std.

Wages for these jobs have been flat for decades. In addition, even low-paid crap jobs these days may require employees to sign non-compete clauses that make it impossible for employee to quit and get any other such job. If that's the only job they are qualified for, pay can be kept artificially low because employees can't quit. Such none compete causes used to apply just to high level employees who knew the trade secrets and IP of a firm. Such as design engineers. Non-compete clauses have been extended to trap low paid employees into dead end jobs in many states, making it impossible to quit a job and get a better job in the same industry. (OR doesn't allow non-compete causes for low-level jobs.) In addition, these days employer may require such employees to essentially be on call 24/7, and drop what they are doing and come to work whenever so ordered. And get fired if they dont. So a crap job for less than minimum wage and less than 30 hrs/week so they don't have to pay bennies can no longer get combined with another job. Or with taking care of your kids after school. Or anything else. Employees are expected to be reachable by phone 24/7. So you have a boss 24/7 even when in your own home. Used to be the boss was your boss just at work. So flat pay for decades and grossly deteriorating working terms and conditions. A huge shift in the balance of power between companies and employees the last several decades was all in favor of business.

That balance of power has shifted. I'm expecting there to soon be an effective minimum wage of $15 or more per hour nearly everywhere, whether anybody passes laws requiring it or not. And of course buying any goods and services will be lots more expensive. We are living in interesting times.

Empathy is usually a good thing but I won't support any kind of minimum wage. We have learned the hard way that we cannot leave that kind of authority in the wrong hands. Do you know that a congressman recently publicly stated that companies should be legally prohibited from increasing their prices to compensate for increases in minimum wage? I don't think any of us here want to go down that road.

To be blunt, and with all due respect because I do respect your opinion, If you want to help poor people find another way. A way that uses your money. You have no right to everyone else's money. Put another way, there is no such thing as a right that requires the labor of others.


edit: sp