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Don't abandon the NRA!

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by usagi, Nov 6, 2014.

  1. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    This was part of bloomberg's strategy all along. He wants to get gun owners angry at the NRA so he can take down the NRA.

    If you abandon the NRA now, that's exactly what bloomberg wants! You're just playing right into his hands.

    There's no way the NRA could outspend bloomberg.

    The only mistake the NRA made here is their failure to head off the initiative strategy and failure to cooperate with the SAF.

    If anything, you should be calling the NRA and demanding they mend ways with the SAF and work on a coordinated strategy to defeat these initiatives.
     
  2. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  3. Brigadier

    Brigadier WA Member

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    Sorry, but IMHO, the NRA abandoned US!! WHY should they get another plug nickle from us? SAF, CCRKBA, GOA, etc., do more than the bloated, elitist NRA anyhow.
     
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  4. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    you're playing right into bloomberg's hands if you do that. he's trying to divide and conquer gun owners and you're doing exactly what he wants.

    the NRA is the only organization which still has true lobbying power in congress.

    NRA members should be demanding that they settle their differences with the SAF/CCRKBA and start working on a comprehensive strategy to fight initiatives.

    the NRA needs to start leveraging the newly fully-red congress and get favorable legislation passed for us.
     
  5. eldbillbo

    eldbillbo clackamas New world samurai and a redneck none the less Bronze Supporter

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    Ha Ha Ha you must be on bloomburg's payroll.
     
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  6. Brigadier

    Brigadier WA Member

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    Sorry Elmer, but I am a Life member of the NRA, but I did not see their presence at ALL during this campaign.
     
  7. Brigadier

    Brigadier WA Member

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    How would the congress in DC have helped with this? Are you insane? This was a STATE issue, and the NATIONAL Rifle Assoc. was nowhere to be found.
     
  8. eldbillbo

    eldbillbo clackamas New world samurai and a redneck none the less Bronze Supporter

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    No doubt the NRA is not perfect but its what we have. they are not a elitist group or a special interest they are the voice of the American Gun Owner.
     
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  9. Brigadier

    Brigadier WA Member

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    And they were awfully damn quiet in WA in 2014. you go ahead and grovel at their feet, we need to get behind organizations that will fight on the state level.
     
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  10. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    the SAF can't pull it alone. the rift between the SAF and the NRA is why we got stuck with I-594.

    NRA members need to demand that the NRA resolve their differences with the SAF and start working together on a coordinated strategy to fight initiatives.
     
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  11. Brigadier

    Brigadier WA Member

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    Yeah, the NRA is mad at the SAF cuz the SAF gets it done and is more than just a fund raising organization. I tend to think that gun owners need to vote with their $$ and support organizations like SAF, CCRKBA, GOA, and let the NRA starve. Have you forgotten their compromise on Clinton's AWB?
     
  12. eldbillbo

    eldbillbo clackamas New world samurai and a redneck none the less Bronze Supporter

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    Thats what they all say did you just sign up to cut on the NRA what other choice do we have that has the power to do better.

    this would not be first time a anti gun rights person posed as one of us just to stir the pot.
     
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  13. eldbillbo

    eldbillbo clackamas New world samurai and a redneck none the less Bronze Supporter

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    This I do agree with you on, since the fight is now on the state level.
     
  14. Legs

    Legs NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    To Bloomberg.... The enemy of mine enemy is my friend.

    All pro-gun groups are good... some better than others.

    Support the Second Amendment... because it protects the rest of the amendments of The Bill Of Rights.

    Support your NRA.
     
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  15. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Kitzhaber is still Governor! Merkley is still Senator!
    Two solidly BLUE states. An alien's paradise, doper's utopia, socialist's fantasy!
    For all of you communists whining why somebody won't do something, look in the mirror.
    Oh pleeeeze, where's the fairness of it all?

    I am a one-issue voter

    The fight is on the state level. ILA and others concentrated on the win-back.
    Maybe a conservative house and senate. Or maybe a bunch of self-absorbed hookers.
    Now, we'll see what happens these next two years.
    Defund Obamacare? Eject illegal aliens? Clean house?
    We'll see
     
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  16. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    the NRA doesn't like the SAF because they view the SAF as a rogue operator taking unreasonable risks. remember gottlieb tried to push Manchin-Toomey, and then HB1588. the SAF doesn't win all their cases, they do lose a significant portion of them -- and that sets bad precedent law. the SAF should be more measured and precise on the cases they take on, because 1 bad precedent can undo 10 wins.

    where the SAF is correct is gottlieb's prediction many years ago that we would be fighting from undefensible positions against unwinnable arguments, and we need to get ahead of the anti's with our own legislation.

    that won't happen without NRA support. the SAF can't fight this alone.

    HB1588 was far from perfect, but instead of trying to improve it, the NRA scuttled it. so now we are stuck with the far worse I-594. had the NRA cooperated with the SAF we would not be here writing about how bad things suck now.

    the NRA has delivered us an all-red congress. the NRA has lobbying power in congress. it would be foolish to not start leveraging this immediately, to get legislation passed in our favor.
     
  17. Brigadier

    Brigadier WA Member

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    No, I am not an antigun person. Hell no!! I am a life member, my sons are members, my dad is a life member, I am just PO'd due to their lack of effort on this. And they are in DC, 3000 miles away, so who cares about the left coast, right?
     
  18. Brigadier

    Brigadier WA Member

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    Again, you are ignoring that the all red congress in DC DOESN'T MEAN Spit ON THIS ISSUE!! You are the one that must be the Bloomberg plant cuz you keep changing the dang subject. This is a STATE issue. DC has no part in it, get it ?!?!?!?!
     
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  19. Bazooka Joe

    Bazooka Joe Lower Yakima Valley Well-Known Member

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    According to this article, the NRA had spent between $300,000 and $400,000 by early September fighting I-594. And I know they spent more after that article was written. I do know that they hosted some townhall-type forums to discuss 594, and they covered it in the American Rifleman mag, but, yeah, they weren't very visible. I'm an NRA life/benefactor member, but I've also been spreading my donations around the last few years to SAF, GOA, and others. NRA is still the tops for federal lobbying. SAF is the top on the judicial front. We've got several firearm organizations for Washington (WAGOAL, WSRPA, WAC, POGR), but none of them are focused on legislative efforts as far as I know. Well, WAGOAL is focused on it, but there doesn't appear to be any way to donate money or be a member.
     
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  20. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Make this statement to the NRA directly and get some answers.
     
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